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H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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post #9

Maybe, just maybe, we should ease off on the factory farming...

It’s just such a shame all 8 billion earthlings are so addicted to food!

Are you saying we require this late-stage capitalism style factory farming in order to feed 8 billion people? I'm going to say that there is gamut between having a cheap T-bone on your plate every evening and global starvation.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#72

Let's keep livestock in poor conditions and give them antibiotics to survive, then complain about the consequences

Are antibiotics suddenly a factor in viral infections?

The antibiotics permit the shitty unsanitary conditions that make viral spread also more likely.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#73
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more alt-milks than I can count. While cow's milk obviously is used to produce other things, we can drastically reduce the need for it by moving to other kinds of milk for the liquid-consumption part.

Alt milks are usually ultra processed and quite unhealthy compared to regular milk. Not sure this is a viable alternative.

The op is likely quoting one of the recent 'hit piece' style articles talking about ultra processed foods and trying to argue nut milk is less healthy because it may not always have calcium. It's pretty absurd, and the basis for the claim is fairly well explained here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8634539/

It is ultra processed in name, not nutrition.

By the way, humans are the only species drinking the milk of another animal, or after childhood.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#74

Is there a significant chance of a human crossover stemming from this cow outbreak? Are the influenza virus targets in cows similar to those of humans, that adaptations for one host would be useful for the other? Is the large population size (millions of cows) worrisome for viral evolution, with the high cumulative volume of mutations? Do governments not consider mass culling an option here, the way they routinely ap…

If it already crossed from birds to cows, you can imagine. Cambidia has already repoted 10 cases since 2023.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10999124/#

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#75
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more alt-milks than I can count. While cow's milk obviously is used to produce other things, we can drastically reduce the need for it by moving to other kinds of milk for the liquid-consumption part.

Alt milks are usually ultra processed and quite unhealthy compared to regular milk. Not sure this is a viable alternative.

I love how on HN we regularly talk about terraforming Mars, computer/brain interface, the AI "singularity", or even immortality brought by technology, but "sustainable farming" is an unsolvable problem and is so out of our imagination spectrum that we almost shouldn't discuss the possibility...

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#76

Let's keep livestock in poor conditions and give them antibiotics to survive, then complain about the consequences

Are antibiotics suddenly a factor in viral infections?

Antibiotics are enabling unhygienic conditions. Places with poor governance in animal agriculture have a vicious cycle of poor regulation permitting unhygienic conditions which permits unhygienic infrastructure and practices which causes disease which is papered over by antibiotics which allows terrible conditions to continue.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#77

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Your accusation that the tests are fake would mean what, that every test always tests positive?

I’ve taken at least a half dozen Covid tests and have never tested positive. That would seemingly kill your conspiracy theory.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#78
post #5

Id hazard a guess that live virus contact with people on scale is what — by chance — eventually selects a cross over strain. So virus that can be cultured into existence of out of milk presents a possible vector for that. Hence they are testing to see if they can grow the virus from milk samples.

mixing milk dramatically increases these chances. If each person drinks milk from one cow, and there are 1 million of each, then you have 1 million chances. A chance is higher if a cow has a few mutations in its viruses, or if a person has a slightly different receptor or immune system... But if you put all the milk from the 1 million cows in a mixing vat and then distribute it to the same 1 million people, now there…

I have a similar theory with ground meat, or even where you're buying individual cuts. People are now consuming hundreds of thousands of animals throughout their lifetime rather than hundreds or thousands.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

#79
post #15
post #9

Maybe, just maybe, we should ease off on the factory farming...

How would that change anything. factory farms are more likely to take biosecurity seriously and thus not allow wild bird contact.

These sophisticated operations look like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Feedlot-1.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Confined-animal-feed...

I assure you, wild birds are around.

Re: H5N1 prevalence in milk suggest US bird flu outbreak in cows is widespread

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The H5N1 tests are PCR (with an extra “reversed” step for RNA) and are, in fact, pretty reliable. The same was true for COVID. The bad covid tests were the early antibody tests which had a ridiculously high false positive rate that made them useless. But the manufacturers lied about the quality or just relied on the lack of statistical literacy to sell their product.
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