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Re: SeaMonkey All-in-One Internet Application Suite

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Post by musicale »

judge2020 wrote: post #12
musicale wrote: post #4

It's nice to see a web browser with an integrated editor - a feature of the original WorldWideWeb browser. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb

Not the exact same thing, but: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document/de...

Good point – I'd nearly forgotten about design mode! I wonder what other browsers include a user-facing feature and UI to enable it and make it useful?

You can enable it in the javascript console (document.designMode = 'on') , but the lack of an editing UI makes it less useful.

The onramp to web page creation – and javascript programming in the browser for that matter[1] – is tantalizingly close. I wish it were a bit more discoverable in mainstream browsers.

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/play

Re: SeaMonkey All-in-One Internet Application Suite

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Post by sharpshadow »

integricho wrote: post #49
sharpshadow wrote: post #32

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Isn’t the hype over yet and established technology now? Having an assistant in an all-in-one suit is factually better than most single use AI products. Reading and answering the chat and emails, coding, browsing, scraping, botting… actually a good platform to pretending being a human.

I'm afraid the hype is still rising very much, and a very large percentage of AI products are snakeoil, or barely functional PoCs, that are hyped up for a quick cash grab.

Yes I totally agree with the snake oil but the technology overall is valid and working.

Re: SeaMonkey All-in-One Internet Application Suite

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Post by 1oooqooq »

conductr wrote: post #44
mxuribe wrote: post #31

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I used to work for a company owned by Apollo - if its the one i'm thinking of...and if so then "corporate raider from the 80s" is putting things mildly. Those guys really were the type to squeeze every ounce of value of any org without remorse for the future or without thinking of the long-term value that an org could produce.

I'm pretty sure AOL and yahoo had self inflicted the value extraction long before these guys came on board

Yahoo had good tech, sadly well hidden thanks to a bad board and execs. it was still doing bleeding edge freebsd, like netflix just found out and can't stop talking about lately.

last good ceo was bartz, but she lost for carl Icahn who wanted to destroy Yahoo so his shares on MS and google ad business would go up. then he managed to get mayer to go in and do his bidding from the inside and the rest is history.

Re: SeaMonkey All-in-One Internet Application Suite

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Post by njsg »

1oooqooq wrote: post #73
conductr wrote: post #44

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I'm pretty sure AOL and yahoo had self inflicted the value extraction long before these guys came on board

Yahoo had good tech, sadly well hidden thanks to a bad board and execs. it was still doing bleeding edge freebsd, like netflix just found out and can't stop talking about lately. last good ceo was bartz, but she lost for carl Icahn who wanted to destroy Yahoo so his shares on MS and google ad business would go up. then he managed to get mayer to go in and do his bidding from the inside and the rest is history.

That makes me wonder, regarding AOL/Yahoo/Verizon/... what's the story behind "8 BITMIME" and their mail server's broken 8-bit handling ([0],[1])? Did they just get server software with bugs in one of the acquisitions/mergers? Or is it some incompatibility or configuration issue comparable to the 500-mile e-mail story [2]?

(Note: I had no idea they hadn't fixed it yet (at least the utf8 part)... I tested just now, and, sure, it's still broken... currently it is operating in "State 2".)

[0] https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Jorgk/8-bit_bytes_and_e-mail_c... [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1435903 [2] https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html

Re: SeaMonkey All-in-One Internet Application Suite

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Post by 1oooqooq »

njsg wrote: post #74
1oooqooq wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yahoo had good tech, sadly well hidden thanks to a bad board and execs. it was still doing bleeding edge freebsd, like netflix just found out and can't stop talking about lately. last good ceo was bartz, but she lost for carl Icahn who wanted to destroy Yahoo so his shares on MS and google ad business would go up. then he managed to get mayer to go in and do his bidding from the inside and the rest is history.

That makes me wonder, regarding AOL/Yahoo/Verizon/... what's the story behind "8 BITMIME" and their mail server's broken 8-bit handling ([0],[1])? Did they just get server software with bugs in one of the acquisitions/mergers? Or is it some incompatibility or configuration issue comparable to the 500-mile e-mail story [2]? (Note: I had no idea they hadn't fixed it yet (at least the utf8 part)... I tested just now, an…

that actually matches the timeline i described. it's already on mayer and Icahn destroying it. i think only senior left on mail was responsible for spam and nothing else.

Re: SeaMonkey All-in-One Internet Application Suite

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Post by blue1 »

cpach wrote: post #33
blue1 wrote: post #21

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I have been using Seamonkey since when it was called Netscape, but there are so many sites that do not work with it that I been forced to switch to Firefox. I still use Seamonkey for my mail though, I prefer it to Thunderbird.

What are the main differences between Thunderbird and SeaMonkey’s e-mail client?

What matters to me are certain small differences in the UI.

Re: SeaMonkey All-in-One Internet Application Suite

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Post by helboi4 »

njsg wrote: post #70
helboi4 wrote: post #62

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Nevermind man. Design is supposed to look nice and look like it goes together with the rest of the ecosystem. It is not mutually exclusive with functionality. But you clearly don't care about design that looks good. You are clearly not a design guy. You do not have an eye for design. You do not care about design. As I said, that's fine. It limits the audience of the product but it can be incredibly niche like that if…

User interface design is about designing interfaces that can be used by users. You can prefer a style, you can customize it to your liking if themes are available (in this case, they are), but if you just replace the whole UI design field with "design is supposed to look nice", what you get might be an aberration. It might be pleasing to some people (but then still some , I really doubt you can find something that is…

Bro design is supposed to be functional and ergonomic AND look nice obviously. Do you think I'm so dumb that I actually believe the first half of that equation should be left out? I was just pointing out how you seem to have absolutely no appreciation for the second half of the equation, which is tantamount to completely neglecting a huge part of what design is.

Re: SeaMonkey All-in-One Internet Application Suite

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Post by helboi4 »

Gormo wrote: post #65
helboi4 wrote: post #56

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Lmao. Nice roast but I'm not sure I'd get a Cybertruck even if I could afford one. It's sorta cool in its own way though. I respect the Cybertruck. #CybertrucksDeserveRespect Edit: I mean that it's cool in how it looks but yeah I would never buy Tesla because the products seem unreliable and dangerous as hell

The thing is that you were complaining about SeaMonkey due to how it looks, even though the way it looks is generally associated with an era of software design which expected much higher degree of reliability and user control than is common for "modern" software. I don't think that's a purely contingent association, either: with software, how the UI looks and how the functionality works are deeply intertwined, and I…

Im not really sure how on earth you have inferred that I think aesthetics are so important that I would compromise on functionality for that. I never said that. I am saying that both are necessary, whether you want to believe it or not. Just because you are nostalgic for the good old days where UI was more functional in your opinion, does not mean that applications have to look like they were made in 2005. What is stopping us from integrating some modern aesthetic elements into a design that is highly functional? Recognising a problem in the design of some modern apps does not necessitate us reverting to an outdated past vision. We can easily look forward and make a new alternative.

Re: SeaMonkey All-in-One Internet Application Suite

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Post by njsg »

helboi4 wrote: post #78
Gormo wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is that you were complaining about SeaMonkey due to how it looks, even though the way it looks is generally associated with an era of software design which expected much higher degree of reliability and user control than is common for "modern" software. I don't think that's a purely contingent association, either: with software, how the UI looks and how the functionality works are deeply intertwined, and I…

Im not really sure how on earth you have inferred that I think aesthetics are so important that I would compromise on functionality for that. I never said that. I am saying that both are necessary, whether you want to believe it or not. Just because you are nostalgic for the good old days where UI was more functional in your opinion, does not mean that applications have to look like they were made in 2005. What is st…

IMHO you need to step back and consider that there are more views of design, you think some newer look is "more modern" and better in itself, you say "outdated past vision". But those concepts are subjective too.

I like the Modern SeaMonkey theme. I also like the look of the classic theme (not default, but the old default, sometimes called "XPFE Classic"). Not sure if just out of nostalgia or because it looks neat to me. What I value more is that SeaMonkey's looks are customizable. I don't know if it's customizable enough to make a theme that behaves in the way you prefer, but at least there is room for customization. (I'm mentioning this because I do think this is an interesting feature to have.)

So, please consider relativizing your position, it seems you're insisting on a bias against the design just because it is not recent enough, but also wording that as an absolute.

To me that sounds like people who say some train models "look old" and "have to be replaced" just because they feature Budd-style corrugated stainless steel.

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