There's an inflection point where technology accrues too much power to a ruling class, such that no amount of unrest or revolution is able reset the social order. I believe China has already passed this point. Their culture and individual behavior is tightly controlled (e.g., you can't use public bathrooms if your social score is too low). AI may be the catalyst for western countries.
The history of technology, including weaponry, has been to increase the power of the individual with respect to the state.
US Air Force says AI-controlled F-16 has been dogfighting with humans
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#72what I find to be the hardest part of this discussion is that the people who are most righteous and opinionated about technology like this aren’t the same people whose sons and daughters would be in the cockpits or on the battlefields as the alternative.
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Speak for yourself. I plan to be dead before shit really hits the fan, and I'll see all of you bastards in hell.
Really? I plan on becoming a war lord.
[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39802157
[1]https://maxread.substack.com/p/the-man-who-bought-pine-bluff...
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#74There's an inflection point where technology accrues too much power to a ruling class, such that no amount of unrest or revolution is able reset the social order. I believe China has already passed this point. Their culture and individual behavior is tightly controlled (e.g., you can't use public bathrooms if your social score is too low). AI may be the catalyst for western countries.
The history of technology, including weaponry, has been to increase the power of the individual with respect to the state.
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This is in my list of “actually bad movies but I like to watch”. I watched it on Netflix-Mail-a-DVD and I remember the bad actings of the movie.
Macross Plus is a much better movie with an AI controlled fighter jet.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
> if one side doesn't have to risk people dying, then they may be more willing to start a war We already have this with ranged weaponry and autocrats indifferent to the liquidation of fresh troops. > the number of civilian casualties is not necessarily constant Civilians aren’t dogfighting. I’m with you for ground-based robots, or anti-personnel drones.
What about AI bombers, which is just a step away from AI fighters (and is probably significantly easier to implement)? Civilians could absolutely be on the receiving end there.
AI bombers are not cruise missiles. They must avoid or deal with radars, flak, SAMs, and fighters.
The life of a 21st century bomber is closer to playing several games of chess at once than it is to playing at bein a cruise missile.
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#77I don't like this. While I understand the purpose of HN is to have meaningful and in-depth discussion, and simply stating an opinion doesn't really contribute much, this is something which is so obviously bad and gives such a visceral reaction that the negative opinion outshines anything else I could say about it. I don't like this.
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#78Once saw a terrible movie that started with a similar premise. I dislike giving any machine the agency to decide when to choose to kill. I feel like that way lies danger. I feel that laundering the burden of death through a machine distasteful.
Stealth?
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Really? I plan on becoming a war lord.
I don't think anyone who hangs out on Hacker News has any chance of succeeding as a post-apocalyptic warlord. Best case scenario they end up like the guy who tried to take over Pine Bluff Arkansas[0,1]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39802157 [1] https://maxread.substack.com/p/the-man-who-bought-pine-bluff...
I mean, it's not like they restrict who can have an account here...