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Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by sph »

dijit wrote: post #24
dakiol wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in western europe IQ tests are unheard of. I never met anyone (people at work, family members, close friends, acquaintances, etc.) who has taken such a test.

You have to take an IQ test as part of an ADHD diagnosis. I genuinely don't know why, but you do have to.

I got diagnosed for ADHD in 2021 and nobody asked me to do an IQ test. In fact, no one has ever asked me to do one in my entire life.

Your anecdote is not data.

Also makes no sense whatsoever as ADHD does not affect IQ in any form. It's a form of dopamine dysregulation, not a learning disability. Let's stop perpetuating this stupid myth.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by decremental »

yieldcrv wrote: post #10
resolutebat wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm genuinely curious about what mechanism would make this possible.

what I find the most humorous from people that base their whole identity around a problem with mRNA vaccines is that everything they identify as a problem is caused by a natural covid infection too and in vast greater quantities and severity, and they amusingly don’t seem to know that

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Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

max_ wrote: post #16

Is there any real world test where higher IQ people do better than anyone else deterministically? I am not talking about correlations. I am talking about people with higher IQ can solve X problem that people with lower IQs can't. Not the ability to spot back & white patterns on a screen. The riches people are not the highest IQ people The Noble Prize Winners are not the highest IQ people The best sports players are n…

this is just a guess but I'm betting that if you take the best Nobel Prize Winners, and the best Mathematicians and give them IQ tests their average will be higher than the average of the general population (or the mean if you will)

the best sports players and best musicians I would also suppose were higher IQ on average than normal sports players (I suppose this term means professional athletes) and normal musicians (professional musicians)

In the musicians category I wouldn't be surprised if the best musicians were also smarter than the general population.

In short I think IQ tests are a lousy metric, sure, but it is not a completely useless measure - just nearly useless.

On edit: clarification, fixed wrong capitalization.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by Terr_ »

danielheath wrote: post #27
henrikschroder wrote: post #8

If this is true, you should expect results to be the same across countries, and the measurable drops in IQ should correlate to infection rates. Five bucks says you won't find that.

It's almost impossible to compare IQ tests across countries, because cognition test results are really only valid for people from the cultural context the test was written for.

Except parent poster isn't talking about doing that, they're talking about computing the relative change over time separately and individually for each country within its own singular unique cultural-context et-cetera.

Then those ratios are what you compare across countries, which is significantly less-problematic.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by inferiorhuman »

croes wrote: post #31
DoreenMichele wrote: post #15

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Milllions of people worldwide suddenly have Zinc deficiency in the same year and now it's gone?

And yet the zinc conspiracy is not the craziest thing that users has posted regarding COVID.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by defrost »

jeffhuys wrote: post #59
skrebbel wrote: post #18

My wife has postcovid and this is a profound effect. Yesterday she tried to add up a series of numbers by heart, and she simply couldn’t. For context, she’s pretty mathy and used to mock me for taking out a calculator or a spreadsheet for stuff like that. She also forgets everything, which is another thing she used to be great at. It’s pretty confronting, especially now that the idea that maybe this isn’t temporary i…

Has she been vaccinated? How many times?

Australia has a population of 26 million, longer life expectancy than the USofA, and comprehensive medical records going back many decades.

With ~98% of the population COVID vaccinated multiple times any vaccine effects would stick out like dogs balls.

If anyone wants to posit "vaccines cause { stupid | strokes | etc }" Then such correlations should be readily apparent in the before | after records of 26 million test subjects.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by thomasskis »

max_ wrote: post #16

Is there any real world test where higher IQ people do better than anyone else deterministically? I am not talking about correlations. I am talking about people with higher IQ can solve X problem that people with lower IQs can't. Not the ability to spot back & white patterns on a screen. The riches people are not the highest IQ people The Noble Prize Winners are not the highest IQ people The best sports players are n…

IQ doesn’t seem to be an ideal metric for macro level civilisation intelligence. A lot of what it optimises for is replaced by technology. If we’re measuring intelligence at that level I’d hope for something like theory of mind/spiral dynamics, testing how wide someone’s perspective is.

Is their world model limited to themselves, their family, their village, their country, their race, their world, their species, their system? Combined with their understanding of social dynamics at each level.

I think the average GenZ in the US is at beginning of global scale, which is great for acceptance of different cultures; but without understanding the social dynamics yet. Giving us “woke” because they understand different cultures have different contexts, this is good but incomplete. E.g. some cultures aren’t aligned with the entire species, like controlling women in a way that leads to bad outcomes as technology adds complexity to our social dynamics.

Measuring this perspective level would help us understand which cultural models work best in adapting with growth and are more likely to be sustainable post-scarcity.

Re: Covid infections are causing IQ drops and years of brain aging, studies suggest

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Post by logicchains »

resolutebat wrote: post #5
decremental wrote: post #2

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I'm genuinely curious about what mechanism would make this possible.

They were presumably referring to https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36548397/ , where repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines was associated with antibody class switching towards IgG4 "tolerance" antibodies. In theory, this class switching could allow the spike proteins from the virus to persist longer in the body, causing more damage. The same phenomenon wasn't observed with non-mrna vaccines or covid infection, which has been hypothesized to be because they don't make the body's own cells produce the spike protein, so don't invoke that same immune tolerance mechanism.
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