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Re: Redis is forked

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Post by jareklupinski »

noodlesUK wrote: post #11
dainiusse wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is too early to evaluate Terraform/OpenToFu. They're diverging now and it looks like OpenToFu are bringing on some wanted features.

I agree. It has only been a few months since the split. I have noticed more and more uptake of OpenTofu amongst colleagues, and I've personally switched. The thing that makes the difference is what is running on people's laptops, because that's what people will eventually put into prod.

> The thing that makes the difference is what is running on people's laptops, because that's what people will eventually put into prod.

"It works on my machine!"

"Then we'll ship your machine"

Docker: https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*Ibnw...

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by snotrockets »

I really like Redis, used it a lot in the past, but I just don't see a place for it in a modern, cloud-hosted architecture. A central cache just doesn't make sense in any scenario I can imaginewhen considering the cost/performance curve (my imagination might be limited though).

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by diath »

snotrockets wrote: post #47
laurent123456 wrote: post #15

If AWS and other cloud providers gave if only 0.1% of the profit they generate out of these open source projects back to the developers we probably wouldn't have this problem. Unfortunately they don't and it's only fair that eventually those developers take it in their own hands. It's not a great situation but it's certainly understandable.

Disregarding the question of if the CSP compete fairly with providers of open source SaaS, your math is broken: AWS revenue is about $90.76B, though most of it isn't from Redis, I'd assume. But let's be generous, and assume 10% of that is. So about $10mm. For the recent version, Redis-the-company contributions to Redis-the-software were less than third of the code base, so let's say they get $4mm. That's very little…

The $2B is fake money though, the $4M would be actual paycheck.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by ethbr1 »

hcrean wrote: post #36
vdfs wrote: post #13

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> people won't want AWS/GCP/Azure to slap a UI on top of their free open-source product and resell it If it wasn't open-source it won't be as popular as it is in the first place, Redis is also using ton of open source software or libraries for free. Not defending AWS/GCP/Azure, I actually got my software used when i was young by a large company for free (not even a mention- Still using it i think, 5M+ Play Store Down…

Open Source is, by and large, intended by the creator to donate their ideas to benefit humanity as a whole; many people feel that using their thing to help strengthen an (ethically questionable) monopoly is acting against that core goal.

I think it's less about strengthening a monopoly and more about zero sum business models.

If AWS/Azure/GCP/et al. ran a cloud version of X and the main company supporting the open source project was a going concern, I doubt many would have a problem with the entire scheme.

However, in reality, every enterprise support dollar that goes through a third party cloud-managed offering is one that doesn't go to the first party.

In which case, what dollars are left to pay the independent company that creates and supports the software?

Granted, there are a lot of nuances to the above, but I think it's generally fair to say that third-party cloud companies are making more off managed open source offerings than they're paying to contribute to them.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by weinzierl »

hnthrowaway6543 wrote: post #4

Generally my stance with these forks born from community drama is "wait and see." Sometimes the fork will gain traction and become the de facto "true" version (see Hudson -> Jenkins). Sometimes the fork will flop and people will largely stick to the original despite whatever caused the schism (see Terraform -> OpenTofu). Many of these recent forks are being done because people won't want AWS/GCP/Azure to slap a UI on…

I think Hudson -> Jenkins is not really a fitting example here, because it was more of a rename caused by Oracle owning the Hudson trademark. While Oracle halfheartedly indicated to continue Hudson on its own, from what I remember it was pretty clear from the start that Jenkins was the new Hudson.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by sanderjd »

bevekspldnw wrote: post #14

As somebody who pulled down an open source project I find this trope of FOSS losing its way for greed utterly disingenuous. People need to put food on the table, period. I’ve had people take my work and make more money from it than I have, with no attribution or credit. Then I pulled it down and got a lot of people asking why it’s no longer free, when I tell them I can sell them a license they don’t even reply. I car…

Yep, free software originated among academics employed by institutions who paid them for things things other than their creation of software. And good on them!

But there just aren't enough professors, grad students, or young people with plenty of extra time on their hands, to build all this stuff for free.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by philshem »

diath wrote: post #73
snotrockets wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disregarding the question of if the CSP compete fairly with providers of open source SaaS, your math is broken: AWS revenue is about $90.76B, though most of it isn't from Redis, I'd assume. But let's be generous, and assume 10% of that is. So about $10mm. For the recent version, Redis-the-company contributions to Redis-the-software were less than third of the code base, so let's say they get $4mm. That's very little…

The $2B is fake money though, the $4M would be actual paycheck.

Yes, and per year.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by Jtsummers »

snotrockets wrote: post #64
Jtsummers wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must mean something other than 10%, that would be $9 billion by your numbers. 0.1% would be about $9 million so would be closer to your envelope math.

OP suggested the CSP should give 0.1% of their revenue to open source software they make their revenue from. As Redis isn't the only SaaS AWS offers, I was gracious and allocated 10% of those 0.1% to it.

Got it. It would actually be less than that since the number you selected was for revenue, not profit which is what OP asked for. Looking at some prior years it looks like AWS profit is close to 1/4 their revenue, so $90 billion would leave them with (generously) $25 billion profit. 0.1% of that would be $25 million and 10% of that (your estimate of Redis's share) would be $2.5 million.

Re: Redis is forked

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

eatonphil wrote: post #35

Why, unlike Redis and Elasticsearch and Terraform, was there no big community fork of MongoDB when it was relicensed? Cockroach, Materialize, and MariaDB were all also relicensed without massive backlash, I think. But I think that's because they had fewer users at the time. But Mongo's was the one relicense event that didn't produce so much shock that a new fork came out of it. And Mongo's stock is doing great, if th…

Probably because the people that care about such things will just move to Postgres, if they already haven't.
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