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Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Re: Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Post by thiht »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #45
_fat_santa wrote: post #39

Personally I just pay for Youtube Premium. Yes it's $10/month but I found that if you watch alot of Youtube, it's well worth it. Now anytime I'm at friends house and an ad comes up before a video I'm always like "oh right Youtube has ads"

I'll never understand why people don't think twice paying for the array of streaming services (netflix, hulu, disney, apple, etc.) but the thought of paying for a service with creator profit sharing (and a majority share at that) is unthinkable.

I won't pay for Youtube, ever, because even if I pay, I still get sponsored segments in videos. To skip these, I have to get SponsorBlock so I might as well block ads too. Maybe if Youtube Premium also gave access to the same videos without sponsored segments I would reconsider.

The thing is Youtube screwed themselves years ago: they were dicks to content creators (by being overly agressive with demonetizing, even giving creators money to DMCA trolls and completely ignoring fair use laws) so they couldn't rely on ad money and had to fallback to sponsoring instead. The shit situation we're in today il all Youtube's fault.

On the other hand, I pay for Crunchyroll because it has a huge catalog for 5 bucks a month, and for Netflix because they never pissed me yet. However if they increase their subscription price one more time (>13.49€ per month), I'm out for good.

I already unsubscribed from Disney+ because they pissed me off by removing shows without any warning, and from Prime Video because I got tired of finding movies just to realize they weren't actually included in the subscription.

Re: Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Post by latexr »

michelsedgh wrote: post #9
latexr wrote: post #2

> We want to emphasize that our terms don’t allow third-party apps to turn off ads because that prevents the creator from being rewarded for viewership, and Ads on YouTube help support creators and let billions of people around the world use the streaming service. Ah yes, it’s all about the creators, you see. The money Google makes from it has nothing to do with it, no siree. As we all know, Google’s magnanimity alwa…

Why can’t it be both? You don’t expect them to provide Youtube for free do you? Also if they don’t profit how do you want them to monetize the creators? Don’t get me wrong I hate the ads, but the problem is there has to be some kind of profits for them or for anyone else to run a platform and not just youtube no?

My objection isn’t that YouTube makes a profit for Google, but that in their statement they skirt around that truth. They only mention the creators and word it as if that’s the reason they crack down on adblockers, when we all know that’s not the whole story. Own up to it!

What I’m objecting to is them being disingenuous.

Re: Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Post by beej71 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #50
_fat_santa wrote: post #39

Personally I just pay for Youtube Premium. Yes it's $10/month but I found that if you watch alot of Youtube, it's well worth it. Now anytime I'm at friends house and an ad comes up before a video I'm always like "oh right Youtube has ads"

It's funny; I pay for lots of things, even other streaming services in order to not have ads, but I absolutely refuse to give YouTube a single penny. The difference is that every other service made the deal up front - pay X for content, pay Y for content and no ads, and here's the website and here are some mobile apps - while YouTube started out free for all with some really minor ads that you could block if you want…

I'm in a similar boat, in that I won't pay Google for anything because they push technology that is not in my interest.

I currently spend way more on patreon then I would with YouTube premium. And I sincerely hope that that always remains ad free.

Re: Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Post by BXlnt2EachOther »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #28

YouTube Premium (which avoids ads and still pays creators, plus offers downloads) is $14/month. Put another way, let’s say the average Hacker News commentator makes $150k/year or $75/hour, that’s less than 15 minutes of work. Just reeks of “I don’t believe tipping is fair to workers, that’s why I don’t tip.” Edit: downvoted in less than a minute, haha

For US users who are interested, paying annually discounts it to $11.66/mo. Comes with YT Music for better or worse (I rarely use that side of the membership).

Re: Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

BadHumans wrote: post #7

Just use NewPipe. It's just a better Youtube client even if it had ads. https://newpipe.net/

For me, the less-complicated client called "DVD" is more reliable for downloading than the client called "Newpipe"; the later stops working intermittently. YMMV.

Neither are as reliable as using own custom command line programs on desktop, or mobile via Termux. If Google makes a change I can fix/workaround immediately. No waiting for app developers.

For me, Newpipe works well as a Soundcloud client.

From the Kotlin source for "dvd":

Video downloader app powered by yt-dlp (formerly youtube-dl).

Features

Download video/audio from 1000+ sites supported by yt-dlp.

Run custom yt-dlp commands.

Update yt-dlp version from settings.

Share link via other apps.

References

dvd - https://github.com/yausername/dvd

youtubedl-android - https://github.com/yausername/youtubedl-android

yt-dlp - https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp (formerly youtube-dl - https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl)

Re: Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Post by Workaccount2 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #66
Workaccount2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube has had ads since 2007. And complaining about it becoming harder to circumvent ads is silly. Youtube has a clear business proposition, and anyone is free to not use youtube. Not like their is any real competition though, it only takes two second of business analysis to see that users want a video service where you foot all the costs and charge nothing (ads or subs) for it. Read about what happned to vid.me

I don't see the part of my comment where I said they didn't have ads. I did say that the ads were less awful. Also... if you're free to not use them but they have a monopoly, are you free to not use them? Nobody's forcing you to use Standard Oil; you're totally free to just not have oil.

Youtube doesn't have a monopoly.

Nobody else wants to compete because just look at the comments in threads like this. Everyone is entitled to no-ads no-subscription. Again, read up on the story of vid.me, who actually was stealing market share from youtube for a while.

Re: Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #76
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the part of my comment where I said they didn't have ads. I did say that the ads were less awful. Also... if you're free to not use them but they have a monopoly, are you free to not use them? Nobody's forcing you to use Standard Oil; you're totally free to just not have oil.

Youtube doesn't have a monopoly. Nobody else wants to compete because just look at the comments in threads like this. Everyone is entitled to no-ads no-subscription. Again, read up on the story of vid.me, who actually was stealing market share from youtube for a while.

It sounds like you're describing why they have a monopoly. If you want to argue that they don't have one, you would need to point at an alternative with even remotely equivalent content. (Edit: Even a paid alternative would be interesting; last time I looked Nebula only served a tiny subset of equivalent content)

(There is perhaps an interesting discussion to be had in how they got/keep that monopoly; certainly I'm open to users not wanting to pay being a factor, but that seems like it would quickly devolve into "well Google dumped an absurd amount of money into them, killing off even the possibility of competitors" which is... even worse, in terms of being an unnatural monopoly)

Re: Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Post by NohatCoder »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #46
pixxel wrote: post #42

If YT implemented a p2p option then I wouldn’t need to use their bandwidth and block ads. The world’s video library belongs to all. If you want to act as gatekeeper to all the knowledge so you can profit then we’ll work around it. But that’s just my opinion, man. I watch hobbyists who upload interesting things just to share information, like how YT used to be. You can gatekeep ‘content creators’ like Jake Paul behind…

You are delusional if you think ISP's will just lay down and take it when every one of their subscribers becomes a video CDN.

They might complain, because that is what ISPs do, but they won't necessarily be that bad off. Popular content can be mostly circulated within their own network, saving peering bandwidth. This will be somewhat offset by less popular content that generates a bit extra outgoing traffic. The scale of YouTube would make the advantage much more pronounced than it has ever been for torrents.

Re: Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Post by hagbard_c »

CornCobs wrote: post #14
BadHumans wrote: post #7

Just use NewPipe. It's just a better Youtube client even if it had ads. https://newpipe.net/

Seconding NewPipe. Though recently it's been unable to load comments and the error banner keeps popping up as a result (no comments may actually be a plus?) I still use the regular Youtube app for shorts but NewPipe is definitely a better experience overall. My main gripes with the official Android Youtube client: - They made it so annoying to choose your video resolution (Seriously, who tested this and found it bett…

Youtube seems to be doing some A/B testing with the comment system which has made proxies like Invidious and yt-dlp/Newpipe unable to load comments. There is a patch for Invidious [1] which solves this problem but it is not in master yet. I tested it on my own instance and it does solve the problem.

[1] https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/pull/4576

Re: Mobile Ad Blocker Will No Longer Stop YouTube's Ads

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Post by zootboy »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #41
zootboy wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay the creators I care about, but I do it through Patreon, not Youtube. Of those $14 of Youtube subscription fees, approximately $0 would go to the creators I care about. If Youtube made some guarantee that the money I spent would only go to the creators I watch, I'd subscribe instantly.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6306276?hl=en#:~:t... . “Revenue from YouTube Premium membership fees is distributed to video creators based on how much members watch your content. As with our advertising business, the majority of the revenue will go to our partners.“

That sure sounds like they divvy up the money based on total viewership, not my individual viewership. I don't like the thought of a large chunk of my subscription money going to channels I don't personally watch.
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