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>>and widespread cheating It amazes me that teachers would be so unethical. They seem worse than the general population.
"You get what you measure" is broadly applicable and systems need to accomodate that. There's nothing about teachers that makes them less ethical than the the average car emissions system engineer KPMG auditor person
More people need to be encouraged to become teachers - full stop. Its a valid concern that there are some teachers that are not good, and would be weeded out by performance based metrics. However - everyone else at the school knows who the bad teachers are. They're obvious. They're the ones leaving their class unattended. Doing the bare minimum. These people can't be weeded out right now because there's a shortage of…
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What if the standardized tests aren't administered by the teacher? That seems like it would be an easy solution to get around the cheating problem. As for teaching to the test, what's the real downfall of doing that? Colleges use standardized test scores as the biggest or one of the biggest criteria in admission.
The downfall is that in theory the purpose of school is to educate, not merely get people enough points to be admitted to college.
Is this a practical solution in America where taxes are more limited than other nations?
The implication being that countries with more taxes can afford to waste money by paying bad teachers well?
I saw this discussed on Marginal Revolution today as well. My main question is whether the gains are fundamentally zero-sum, at least in the short term. Some districts implement flexible pay and some don’t, and then the best teachers move to get paid more. And the places that get left behind…? In the long-run, increased pay ought to lead to more high-quality teachers entering the profession. But in the short term, th…
Yet she still obsessively talks about how bad the teaching systems is here in Ontario, Canada and follows all the studies.
I could 100% see a large increase in talent/quality jumping into the system and taking over the culture. Or at least heavily influencing it. The gaming for tests is also probably a short term effect as well, the old guard doing what it knows best, just more of it.
But Canada will be the last place this sort of reform would happen. The unions completely dominate discourse.
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> Eliminate poverty by eliminating capitalism, a system that literally depends on it. Could you give an example of where this has worked?
Why even engage this sort of thing? It's just going to turn into a flame thread.
Apologies for the risk of conflagration :)
They fight over who gets to teach the asian and white kids.
I was a public school teacher that worked in a district that attempted to measure teacher value add. There was limited pay for performance based on that metric. And the district I worked in was majority racial minority and majority living in poverty. "Using the expiration of preexisting collective bargaining agreements as a source of exogenous variation in the timing of changes in pay, I show that the introduction of…
What if the standardized tests aren't administered by the teacher? That seems like it would be an easy solution to get around the cheating problem. As for teaching to the test, what's the real downfall of doing that? Colleges use standardized test scores as the biggest or one of the biggest criteria in admission.
That said, in some circumstances only teaching the test could be an improvement.
If they want to improve teachers performance - reduce the $hit modern society is making them deal with. They're very under paid. How would you like to deal with corraling 23'ish hyper nut jobs all at different levels? That you have to be their parents, psychologist, DEI, identity fosterer, special education teachers etc. Funding in many schools isn't there now for specialists to do these roles.... because teachers wa…
More people need to be encouraged to become teachers - full stop. Its a valid concern that there are some teachers that are not good, and would be weeded out by performance based metrics. However - everyone else at the school knows who the bad teachers are. They're obvious. They're the ones leaving their class unattended. Doing the bare minimum. These people can't be weeded out right now because there's a shortage of…
Hire mature and experienced people as teachers. It is easy to assess someone mature based on their life achievements. No need to attract greedy ones as greed isn't the most desired competence for people who will work with children.