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Re: ActivityPub/Nostr/At-Bluesky Compared

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Post by malermeister » Mon, Apr 08, 2024, 8:01 AM UTC

grumbel wrote: post #15

systemz wrote: post #4

ActivityPub isn't perfect but still seems better vs putting everything in one basket controlled by big corp (Meta's FB, IG etc).

With ActivityPub you are still putting everything in one basket. All the federation is completely optional and identities are not transferable. But unlike big corps, that generally care very little about what you do, a whole lot of ActivityPub instances are heavily politically motivated and love to block or defederate.

You can't even post titties on Facebook/Insta. Big corps are intensely politically motivated, they succumb to American prudery through advertiser pressure.

Re: ActivityPub/Nostr/At-Bluesky Compared

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Post by fsiefken » Mon, Apr 08, 2024, 2:13 PM UTC

It'd to add to the comparison:

## manyverse/sbb https://www.manyver.se/ (SBB)

## farcaster https://www.farcaster.xyz/ (Ethereum)

## a social app based on peers (formerly known as hypercore) https://twitter.com/Pears_p2p https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39373960

Re: ActivityPub/Nostr/At-Bluesky Compared

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Post by adr1an » Mon, Apr 08, 2024, 6:15 PM UTC

qdot76367 wrote: post #7

This post was written in late January. Bluesky opened up early access to federation about a month later, which does change some of the perspective. https://docs.bsky.app/blog/self-host-federation

You require to send a message through Discord to get your PDS federated. Is this real?

Re: ActivityPub/Nostr/At-Bluesky Compared

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Post by wkat4242 » Mon, Apr 08, 2024, 8:42 PM UTC

grumbel wrote: post #15

systemz wrote: post #4

ActivityPub isn't perfect but still seems better vs putting everything in one basket controlled by big corp (Meta's FB, IG etc).

With ActivityPub you are still putting everything in one basket. All the federation is completely optional and identities are not transferable. But unlike big corps, that generally care very little about what you do, a whole lot of ActivityPub instances are heavily politically motivated and love to block or defederate.

Even the more centrist tend to block instances. Especially because the others are politically motivated. Who in the center of the political spectrum would want to federate with gab for example? The same goes for the other extreme, like some instances which are full of tankies. When you federate with them you can't have a single news topic without getting "NATO evil, Putin great" pile-ons. It derails every discussion.

One of the nicer centrist instances is Beehaw and they defederated a lot of stuff just to keep the atmosphere alright.

I used to think it was a bad thing when instances defederated each other but since I saw the above happening I agree with it.

Re: ActivityPub/Nostr/At-Bluesky Compared

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Post by Scion9066 » Tue, Apr 09, 2024, 8:49 AM UTC

adr1an wrote: post #73

qdot76367 wrote: post #7

This post was written in late January. Bluesky opened up early access to federation about a month later, which does change some of the perspective. https://docs.bsky.app/blog/self-host-federation

You require to send a message through Discord to get your PDS federated. Is this real?

It's real but temporary for now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39471640

"This is just for a brief period during polishing/debugging since this is the first time third-party PDS hosts have been added to the network. The goal is just to help PDS operators join the network and make sure that if there's a problem we have a channel of communication open."

Re: ActivityPub/Nostr/At-Bluesky Compared

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Post by xigoi » Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 12:09 PM UTC

kstrauser wrote: post #48

xigoi wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suhh instances tend to be put on shared blocklists, effectively making them echo-chambers too.

I think that says more about the content of those instances being blocked. If you're transmitting content bad enough to get blocked by a large portion of the fediverse, the problem has more to do with what you're saying than their decision not to hear it.

The problem is the assumption that if you allow someone to say something on yur instance, then you necessarily agree with it.