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It's not what the world needs right now

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Re: It's not what the world needs right now

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post #11

I don’t think there’s a direct correlation between commercial and artistic value. But there has to come a point where people who create this kind of stuff realise they’re not Van Gogh. Top points for edginess though, I guess

Someone probably said the same thing to Van Gogh during his life.

Someone told Van Gogh that he wasn't Van Gogh? No wonder he went crazy, that's some hardcore gaslighting.

Re: It's not what the world needs right now

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It's not a lifestyle I'd want to emulate. The author/character does seem to have some kind of moral code, at least. From my reading, it seems like he's OK with harming the "haves" but I didn't notice him harming any "have nots". I'd guess he's Chaotic Neutral alignment. From easydamus.com: "People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to m…

That's just... most people.

Re: It's not what the world needs right now

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post #64
post #60

Several commenters here hate the writer, calling him "completely insufferable", "a character that the reader hates", or "a selfish, narcissistic jerk". But I didn't find him that bad? His worst crime was stealing a $4000 suit from Barneys New York.

so stealing is ok if it's from the wealthy and corporations..

It’s not, but two others have defended it. Reminds me of how people defend graffiti “artists” for “expressing themselves” despite the fact that it’s vandalism.

I believe this train of thought is called “entitled”

Re: It's not what the world needs right now

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I used to be similarly lost in the drama of my own life, hanging on to things that I felt made me special. It's an ego trap in my opinion, as there are millions of people around us who have extrodinary lives that we never hear about. The word "sonder" applies:

Sonder is defined as the profound feeling of realizing that everyone, including strangers passing by on the street, has a life as complex and vivid as your own. They experience hopes, dreams, friendships, routines, worries and an inner life, all of which you'll likely never know about or fully understand.

The term was coined by John Koenig in The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows, a compendium of newly invented words for powerful feelings that don't have a descriptive term in the English language.

I had a sponser do me a favor once and tell me "you're a special case of the same old thing." It helped me get over myself.

Re: It's not what the world needs right now

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so stealing is ok if it's from the wealthy and corporations..

generally yea there's also a big difference between "one guy supposedly stealing one thing as a part of a story" and "let's all go steal"

when you consider morality, do you think your rule only ever applies to one person or categorically?

Re: It's not what the world needs right now

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The fact that so many people on HN dislike this proves hacker culture died in programming..

I read HN almost daily and comment here often, but I don't like the name. I wish they'd chosen to call it something more like "startup news" instead, as that feels like a more accurate representation of the site and its community and standards.

Re: It's not what the world needs right now

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He lives this way intentionally. He could get a job as a UX designer at Staples.com whenever he wants.

There’s currently a surplus of designers with software industry experience, résumés full of business objectives achieved, and a finely honed ability to speak the soothing jargon of absolution that managers really want from UX. (“Yes, we can make users love this pop-up that you want to add. It’s just a matter of applying design.”) Why would a corporation deliberately hire a video artist and music video director instea…

TBF corporations don't know what's good for them. When XR was all the rage, it was current (2D) UX designers getting jobs, instead of the 3D artists, sculptors, game designers, animators, and industrial designers who actually had the skills to make compelling spatial interactions, smart objects, and experiences (which there was not a surplus of). Then, the hype collapsed, and they fired everyone who couldn't program, thereby making the issue incalculably worse.

Re: It's not what the world needs right now

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post #31

Most other comments so far have viewed this artist's lifestyle negatively, as he wrote that he got by via abusing various policies and tax fraud (via "[hallucinating] a DJ software skin" to claim as a business expense). But he's an interesting person for sticking to his craft for close to a decade now: he has persisted in working hard to produce artwork and submit it for exhibition. However, to what extent is this li…

I think people confuse prudent with good. I don't think this person would be delusional enough to think their choices were prudent by "polite" society's standards, especially when describing himself as a crust punk-- a subculture that prides itself on eschewing damn near everything that "polite" society values. However, it's also pretty bullshit that someone who makes art that people want and has an opinion interesting enough to have academic cachet needs to essentially bottom feed to stay afloat in the most fundamental ways. Art is important to humanity, but capitalism isn't super great at supporting things with intrinsic cultural value but no mercantile utility.

Especially since the popularization of AI image generators, many folks in the tech crowd-- few of whom could name a single influential work, author, or organization in arts scholarship-- have unwarrantedly strong opinions on the nature of art. They tend to cite the lack of market value in fine art as justification for neither paying artists for their ingested works, nor for the amalgams the produced models spit out. But when confronted with the fact that most artists are not working in fine art, but working commercial artists, they will cite their commercially concerns as evidence that modern art and artists are soulless and not worth protecting to begin with.

Honestly, the longer you work in the arts the more you shrug your shoulders at it. People have spent millennia holding all but the most famous artists and designers in contempt while art in some form, deliberately and thoughtfully made by someone with great skill, imbues nearly every aspect of our cultures. There's always a new cohort of people wanting to extract more out of artists for their own gain-- either in art or income-- while calling artists selfish for wanting a slice and telling them to get a "real job". Such is life.

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