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Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models
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Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
The same laws apply to American companies for American data requested by American agencies, is that better? And likely Norwegian too, but I don't know the specifics there.
Yes, it is better.
Actually, the Chinese government holding my data is probably better than my own government holding and using it to incriminate me. I'm pretty sure China doesn't share the data they're collecting with their adversaries or even allies.
Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models
#73I really wish people developing local applications would allow users to specify an API endpoint. Most applications use an OpenAI compatible API, and if they don't the browser's implementation of local model inference can be used.
I've also been looking for an "LLM browsers" for iOS, i.e. apps which can work with LLM endpoints that I host, but I haven't been able to find anything.
Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a rather xenophobic take to be stating so loudly. Is there any reason to believe that being associated with Chinese intrinsically makes it lesser? Edit: they're all chromium anyways.
The creator of Opera sold the company and created Vivaldi. That's it. To me that means Vivaldi is now the "true Opera". I could replace "Chinese consortium" with "Danish consortium" or "French consortium" and it would mean exactly the same thing (not to mention these are not my words, but copy+pasted from Wikipedia). You seem to be jumping to conclusions about my intentions. I use Vivaldi every day, and like it very…
We don't call Deno the new "true Node" even if the founder is the same. Rally, I can't think of any case where X stops being "truly X" because it is sold. Vivaldi is Vivaldi, Opera is Opera.
Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models
#75Browsers are for browsing internet. So many of them are now turning into bloatware..
Long time Opera user here. I've been meaning to move to Vivaldi, and this AI crap was the push I needed. You can't even highlight anything in Opera without getting 3 different AI tool suggestions. It's just too much.
I just made the jump from Opera to Brave after ~5 years of dailying Opera. I wasn't hugely put off by the AI popup; in fact, without the AI bits, the select popup was nice to quickly search something. For me the driving factor was Opera's shady business practices of "use our VPN/AI/whatever" and then harvest data from that.
Other than the recent(ish) UI redesign, though, Opera has solid UX. I will miss the interface, but Brave has most of what I want.
Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models
#76The question I have is, why should your browser also be the interface to local AI models? Seems totally unrelated to be honest.
Opera has been bundling in a mail client, rss reader, calendar app etc for ages now. I also always thought it was weird but Opera people seem to like it, to the point that inspired browsers like Vivaldi also do that.
FYI Vivaldi is run by ex-CEO and co-founder of Opera. =)
Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
From my understanding it comes from a law passed that allows unlimited access by state intelligence services in China to any firms customer data. "The most controversial sections of the law include Article 7 which potentially compels businesses registered or operating in the People's Republic of China to hand over information to Chinese intelligence agencies such as the MSS and to conceal the fact that they do so." […
Which like yeah, but the US doesn't exactly come out smelling like a rose here. The whole EU-US transatlantic data transfer spat surrounding Facebook was because of PRISM which EU courts ruled gave the US the same level of access. The US even went so far to demand that US intelligence has domain over data no matter where it's stored, and supremacy when it conflicts with local laws https://www.theguardian.com/technolo…
Appealed and overturned: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZU1RI/
> which I don't really buy because China can't arrest you over here
Not entirely true: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/19/china-police-state-...
Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models
#78Browsers are for browsing internet. So many of them are now turning into bloatware..
You are confusing the Internet with the web. You do not "browse" the Internet. Browser suites are for using the Internet, and the Netscape Suite provided numerous tools to use various protocols on the Internet. One of those happened to be a browser for browsing the web.
I say this to make it clear that the "now" in your comment ignores past and present browsers across all platforms.
Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models
#79The question I have is, why should your browser also be the interface to local AI models? Seems totally unrelated to be honest.
Opera is an anything-Internet-suite. It's not just a browser, but aims to deliver interfaces for anything else people are doing with browsers. So anything for which most people would use a website or web-extensions, they deliver out of the box. And AI seems to be something that should be integrated deep into such an environment.
Mozilla (the browser) was like that wasn't it? Email, browser etc. and FF was the stripped down version.
Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models
#80The question I have is, why should your browser also be the interface to local AI models? Seems totally unrelated to be honest.
Opera has been bundling in a mail client, rss reader, calendar app etc for ages now. I also always thought it was weird but Opera people seem to like it, to the point that inspired browsers like Vivaldi also do that.
Didn't Netscape bundle in a mail client before Opera did?