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Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

kubb wrote: post #30
arp242 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say "always"; the freedom of gay people to have gay sex in the privacy of their homes doesn't affect anyone except themselves, and certainly doesn't infringe on the freedom of others. In other cases the restrictions of "freedom" are not really legitimate – e.g. the "freedom" to not see interracial marriage or something like that (and I did see some twat complain about that on HN just a few months ago). But…

That freedom of gay people does affect the freedom of religious fundamentalists to prevent what they consider sin from happening. But in general, there might exist creative counterexamples. I haven’t found any though.

> That freedom of gay people does affect the freedom of religious fundamentalists to prevent what they consider sin from happening.

Except that this is not a good faith or legitimate freedom. Hurting people is not a freedom to anyone but a complete sociopath. The fact that the law forbids me from detonating a bomb in times square is not a restriction on any part of my ability to live life.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by closewith »

cromka wrote: post #53
rpmisms wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Europe isn't free if I want to own a gun. See, I can also do a single-factor analysis and come out ahead!

Neither is NYC, Philadelphia or Chicago! Meanwhile you can easily get a gun in Scandinavia or Switzerland or Czechia. Not a good example, to be honest.

> Meanwhile you can easily get a gun in Scandinavia or Switzerland or Czechia.

Easily is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by anal_reactor »

shiroiushi wrote: post #24
hakdbha wrote: post #2

European iPhones will have more freedom than American iPhones. Amazing

The US is not a very free country, despite the claims to the contrary. Try drinking some beer in a public park while having a picnic and see what the police do to you. The main "freedom" in America is the ability of wealthy interests to screw over everyone.

>be me

>live in freedomland

>"hello sir have you been to sunday's demonstration"

>yes

>fired

>https://www.shrm.org/topics-tools/employment-law-compliance/...

>apply for another minumum wage job

>"in order to assure the highest quality of service, we require you to pee in a cup on monthly basis, it is of utmost importance that walmart cashiers don't ever smoke weed on their weekends because reasons"

>apply for a third job

>"wow sir you peed in public 20 years ago, I'm sorry but this is an unforgivable mistake, I can't hire people who have a history of peeing in public"

The methods that the US society uses to force its citizens to comply with social norms are similar to Soviet Russia. Yes, technically speaking law doesn't prevent you from doing things, but if you do them, you'll get fired and won't find another job "because it is the freedom of the corporation to decide not to work with you" and have fun living without a job. I am so happy that EU has, in general, much better protection of worker rights.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nickburns »

ben_w wrote: post #65
nickburns wrote: post #28

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again, this has nothing to do with 'market share' (of smartphone devices i think you mean?)

Why not? Nobody cares that Nintendo has a monopoly on games published for their hardware. I think we would care if all the other console makers left the market. I think this analogy applies to Android vs. iOS — and that's despite me being annoyed by Apple acting as morality police with regard to content, instead of limiting their rules to the security domain.

comparing video game consoles to the modern smartphone is an intellectually dishonest analogy based on numbers alone, never mind what each is respectively used for. but i don't quite understand what you mean regardless. (why would we care about Nintendo if all other game console makers did what? they all just up and randomly closed shops in this hypothetical for what reason/s?)

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by simonjgreen »

shiroiushi wrote: post #51
rvense wrote: post #36

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To start: There absolutely should be limits to what kinds of devices can be sold. E.g., they should not be dangerous to operate. If you can't make a lawnmower that doesn't harm people, it's OK for governments or the EU to tell you that you can't sell lawnmowers. It's also OK to enforce standardization in e.g. electrical sockets and other basic infrastructure. This should not come down to "consumer preference" - _espe…

>An obviously absurd analogy is if a hammer company was somehow able to force you to use their brand of nails and wood and charge you per annum for the use of whatever you built. We did not have previous legislation to handle this situation, because simple physics means that can't happen. But with modern-day complicated tools, it can, and so some regulation of this sector is absolutely needed. Is it though? To extend…

Swap ‘hammer’ for ‘crimp tool’ and now you’re in to reality

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by Kipters »

rpmisms wrote: post #41
shiroiushi wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is not a very free country, despite the claims to the contrary. Try drinking some beer in a public park while having a picnic and see what the police do to you. The main "freedom" in America is the ability of wealthy interests to screw over everyone.

And Europe isn't free if I want to own a gun. See, I can also do a single-factor analysis and come out ahead!

We can own guns, we just don't want nor need to.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nickburns »

erinnh wrote: post #52
nickburns wrote: post #28

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again, this has nothing to do with 'market share' (of smartphone devices i think you mean?)

It kind of does, since the gatekeeper status is bound to how many users a platform has. I’d also like to mention that EU anti-trust law talks about „dominant position“ and not about monopolies. And any Company with more than 40% market share are in a dominant position.

'market share distribution among competitor platforms' would have made my point clearer. this is not about that.

antitrust regulation strictly considers the 'market share' (i guess you could say?), i.e. the size/influence of the alleged monopoly, not its share of the market relative to the whole.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by seszett »

shiroiushi wrote: post #51
rvense wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To start: There absolutely should be limits to what kinds of devices can be sold. E.g., they should not be dangerous to operate. If you can't make a lawnmower that doesn't harm people, it's OK for governments or the EU to tell you that you can't sell lawnmowers. It's also OK to enforce standardization in e.g. electrical sockets and other basic infrastructure. This should not come down to "consumer preference" - _espe…

>An obviously absurd analogy is if a hammer company was somehow able to force you to use their brand of nails and wood and charge you per annum for the use of whatever you built. We did not have previous legislation to handle this situation, because simple physics means that can't happen. But with modern-day complicated tools, it can, and so some regulation of this sector is absolutely needed. Is it though? To extend…

Hammers aren't a good example because there's already an established market for interoperable nails, but batteries for tools is a more appropriate comparison I think.

They should absolutely get regulated, there is no good reason for Parkside batteries not to be compatible with Bosch tools, or Makita, or Ryobi or whatever else. They all have their slightly different battery interfaces, that don't have technical reasons to be different.

They only provide vendor lock-in, so that people who already have a Ryobi drill will also buy a Ryobi grass mower and a Ryobi trimmer, regardless of their actual individual merits, unless they want to also buy batteries (and chargers!) for each of their pieces of equipment.

This is bad for consumers, bad for competition and bad for the overall market. I hope this gets regulated in the future in the EU, but who knows.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by ownagefool »

rpmisms wrote: post #41
shiroiushi wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is not a very free country, despite the claims to the contrary. Try drinking some beer in a public park while having a picnic and see what the police do to you. The main "freedom" in America is the ability of wealthy interests to screw over everyone.

And Europe isn't free if I want to own a gun. See, I can also do a single-factor analysis and come out ahead!

Whilst true, Europeans do have more freedoms around not getting shot. :p

That's the thing about a framework of freedoms. In anarchy, the strong will subjugate the weak, and thus only the strong are free.

Thus if we want to protect your right to not be shot, we need to prohibit someones right to shoot you, and in some societies that extends to your right to bare arms with actual positive outcomes behind it.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nickpp »

nickburns wrote: post #6

that it's taken this long for an iOS clipboard manager (using obvious SDK controls) is nutty.

The fact that I don't have to worry if the newfangled clipboard manager my grandma was tricked into installing is sending the passwords she is copy&paste-ing to a server in China is wonderful.
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