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Bradford pear trees banned in few states – More are looking to eradicate them

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Re: Bradford pear trees banned in few states – More are looking to eradicate them

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The company that I worked for, had a row of these across the primo parking spaces. During the fall months, these parking spaces were always available. I found out why. If you park under one of these things in November, you come out in the evening, and it looks like every incontinent buzzard on Earth sat over your car.

Does 'sat over' imply 'shat on'?

Re: Bradford pear trees banned in few states – More are looking to eradicate them

#72

The company that I worked for, had a row of these across the primo parking spaces. During the fall months, these parking spaces were always available. I found out why. If you park under one of these things in November, you come out in the evening, and it looks like every incontinent buzzard on Earth sat over your car.

Does 'sat over' imply 'shat on'?

Pretty much.

"Sitting Over" + "Incontinent" == "Shat On"

Re: Bradford pear trees banned in few states – More are looking to eradicate them

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Ah, typical. Nature taking its course and, once again, humans decide they know what's better and is going in to "correct" things. Then a few years in there's the cry about the disruption that was caused, and yet even more attempts at rectification. A never-ending cycle, because we can't learn to be hands off. Well I guess the cycle will eventually end given things are always somewhat worse with every swing of the cor…

The Bradford pear is a cultivar of an imported species from Asia.

Nothing about this tree growing in North America is "nature taking its course".

Humans decided to cultivate it here, and we can choose to stop. Cycles of correction, sure, but attempting to fix problems due to introduced species seems like a worthwhile effort.

Re: Bradford pear trees banned in few states – More are looking to eradicate them

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The company that I worked for, had a row of these across the primo parking spaces. During the fall months, these parking spaces were always available. I found out why. If you park under one of these things in November, you come out in the evening, and it looks like every incontinent buzzard on Earth sat over your car.

I thought you were going to say something about how large branches will just pop off and crush anything beneath them at random times. This is due to how multiple branches will come from the trunk at the same point, and are weakly attached.

EDIT:

Having finally eradicated all of the ones from our land, the best method is to immediately pour herbicide onto the trunk after cutting it down. The herbicide will get sucked down into the roots this way. If you don't do this, you'll get new suckers all over the place for a few years.

Re: Bradford pear trees banned in few states – More are looking to eradicate them

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a host for white pine blister rust.

To expand on this, many states have a large white pine lumber industry. The white pine is highly susceptible to a type of fungus harbored by currants. The fungus does not spread from white pine to white pine, only from currants to currant, or currant to white pine, so eliminating the nearby currants protects the white pine industry.

Apparently this is no longer much of an issue. Quoting [0]:

"The federal ban was lifted in 1966, though many states maintained their own bans. Research showed that blackcurrants could be safely grown some distance from white pines and this, together with the development of rust-immune varieties and new fungicides, led to most states lifting their bans by 2003. Blackcurrants are now grown commercially in the Northeastern United States and the Pacific Northwest. Because of the long period of restrictions, blackcurrants are not popular in the United States, and one researcher has estimated that only 0.1% of Americans have eaten one. [...] By 2003 restrictions on Ribes cultivation had been lifted across most of the states, though some bans remain, particularly on the blackcurrant. State laws are enforced with varying degrees of efficiency and enthusiasm; in some states, officials effectively ignore the ban."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackcurrant_production_in_the...

Re: Bradford pear trees banned in few states – More are looking to eradicate them

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The company that I worked for, had a row of these across the primo parking spaces. During the fall months, these parking spaces were always available. I found out why. If you park under one of these things in November, you come out in the evening, and it looks like every incontinent buzzard on Earth sat over your car.

I thought you were going to say something about how large branches will just pop off and crush anything beneath them at random times. This is due to how multiple branches will come from the trunk at the same point, and are weakly attached. EDIT: Having finally eradicated all of the ones from our land, the best method is to immediately pour herbicide onto the trunk after cutting it down. The herbicide will get sucked…

This is true. Same with Ailanthus.

I was talking about the pears, which are small, round things, and rot on the branch; finally plopping off. They make this nasty, sticky brown mess, filled with seeds. Looks exactly like [large] bird shit, but is actually a lot more difficult to clean.

Re: Bradford pear trees banned in few states – More are looking to eradicate them

#78

The company that I worked for, had a row of these across the primo parking spaces. During the fall months, these parking spaces were always available. I found out why. If you park under one of these things in November, you come out in the evening, and it looks like every incontinent buzzard on Earth sat over your car.

I thought you were going to say something about how large branches will just pop off and crush anything beneath them at random times. This is due to how multiple branches will come from the trunk at the same point, and are weakly attached. EDIT: Having finally eradicated all of the ones from our land, the best method is to immediately pour herbicide onto the trunk after cutting it down. The herbicide will get sucked…

What herbicide do you use? I have a tree growing under my roofline that keeps growing back. I tried glyphosate last time, but it came back.

Re: Bradford pear trees banned in few states – More are looking to eradicate them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean to blow your mind, but humans are a part of nature. One advantage we have over other species is that we can spot patterns and work collectively to fix undesirable situations or circumstances. And if our fix causes further problems, we can fix those too! We're flawed creatures so it's not ideal, but it sure beats being at the mercy of the forces nature uses to correct things on its own, like diseases and…

Yes! Is a beaver dam artificial or natural? I believe everything humans do is part of nature.

I would submit that the very idea of "nature", as used informally, is ill-defined and frankly incoherent, and should not be used, or at least should only be used loosely within specific contexts where it does make sense (a healthy ecosystem in which human beings also thrive, which is no doubt a range), like "I love taking walks in nature". What is natural under this definition? If water from a stream natural, but is water synthesized from hydrogen and oxygen unnatural?

The only sensible definition I know of of "natural" is "according to the nature of a thing". Thus, human beings have a nature, and that nature is what determines what is good or bad for us. Arsenic isn't poisonous as such, but it is poisonous to us by virtue of our nature. We are rational animals by nature. And so, unnatural are things which depart from that nature, like the desire to eat glass or having a sexual interest in oak trees and so on. It is the nature of a thing that is the reference point that allows pathologies to be defined. By nature, we should have two arms, hence to lose or lack an arm is a defect. Similarly, psychological disorders only make sense with reference to the normative, which is defined by human nature. To say "everything is natural" renders the word meaningless, annihilating all justifiable and objectively normative statements, which is absurd. If everything is "natural", then nothing is unnatural, because natural is simply identical with everything.

Re: Bradford pear trees banned in few states – More are looking to eradicate them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought that was the Linden tree.[0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m-8l3V38Ps

Always the first thing that come to mind when smelly trees "come up"

Linden trees have a unique scent, but I never thought it was repulsive or even remotely associated with the kinds of things people associate it with.
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