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Have you ever wondered that if the group that hallucinates is large enough, maybe it's you that's actually hallucinating?
Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany
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#72While I think freedom is good, I also think there are more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use.
I've seen so many people waste their life on weed and alcohol that I can't be very happy about this news.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're probably right that it's the case in most countries, but an interesting counterexample is Sweden, where testing positive on a drug test is a criminal offence. Police can arrest you for appearing to be under the influence of drugs, and if they find any traces in a urine test, they'll fine you for it. I hope that legalization in Germany will lead to more sane laws in Sweden, but honestly, I'm not holding my brea…
I saw a man get hassled by Swedish police on a train just after crossing the Øresund Bridge. "The dog is very interested in your bag", they said. The man admitted that maybe he had smoked marijuana in Copenhagen and they left him alone. I'm sure selective enforcement is at play, but at least in my experience they didn't care.
Is there any jurisdiction where selective enforcement is not how drug laws are enforced? I'm guessing maybe somewhere like Japan, but I'm sure the vast majority of states do not enforce drug laws very consistently.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Essentially: Production and trade under very strict restriction in so-called cannabis clubs. Trade as a non-narcotic medication in pharmacies, restricted to prescriptions. Production at home, with very strict limits towards quantity of plants and size of harvest. Possession of limited amounts of cannabis and thus public consumption with restrictions regarding proximity to institutions for children.
It should be noted that a lot of things are still illegal and are being worked on. Two examples: You are not allowed to share cannabis. The amount of THC in your blood that would make it illegal to drive is 1 ng/mL blood serum. This is essentially nothing and can, anecdotally, be triggered by losing weight after consuming.
> illegal to drive is 1 ng/mL blood serum.
I've had the opportunity to see one of the infamous German drug tests in practice (wasn't driving). The result is that if you used any canabis 4 days earlier it will show up on the pee test. It was waved off as no issue, but four young Dutch people in car got their attention a bit too much apparently. If they thought we were the type they were looking for they had cause to do whatever. We were not the ones they were after though as we were not going to the nearby festival and were just driving by.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't think of a law that would allow landlords to enforce that in a rental contract. Renting is heavily regulated in Germany. Consumption is different, but the new law is very specific in what is allowed and what isn't, and an unconditional ban is unlawful, as is already the case with cigarettes.
Landlords successfully get people to adhere to all kinds of technically illegal rules. If you need a space, you sign whatever they give you. Waiting times for a consultation with renters associations in Berlin are 3-4 weeks right now. For example, they often prohibit plants of certain sizes on balconies, and entirely elsewhere. Legal? Maybe not - but here in reality you have little recourse.
Then you go to a Mieterschutzverein and put them in their place.
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#76> cultivate up to three marijuana plants at home I give it 3 microseconds until every single new rental contract / landlord prohibits this (and consumption). Also, here’s an article with slightly more info on limits and prohibited places: https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-celebrates-legal-cannabis-posse...
How would my landlord know what I do in my home?
The land owner may legally inspect the property and see it?
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This tiny detail makes the difference why employer-mandated drug tests are not a thing in Germany like it is in the US. It doesn't explain the difference, no, since the same is true about the US. In most states, consumption of most drugs is not a crime - possession, production, distribution, sale, and trafficking are the actual crimes prosecuted.
Nearly any amount of intoxication is vaguely illegal under disorderly conduct. It’s a catch all they can apply whenever. Fighting it and winning still costs time and money. So sure, the act of consuming might be legal, but having consumed isn’t.
> Nearly any amount of intoxication is vaguely illegal under disorderly conduct. It’s a catch all they can apply whenever. Fighting it and winning still costs time and money.
This is a weak argument. Almost nobody is getting prosecuted for "disorderly conduct" when under the influence of marijuana as a proxy for marijuana consumption. And even if they were, the connection between that and employer drug tests is extremely tenuous.
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Weird to see Sovereign Citizen mentality on HN of all places.
Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany
#79I believe that overall the decision is a good one, there are no real good reasons why cannabis should be prohibited. At the same time, I strongly hope that the cannabis smokers will be considerate of the people around them. It is quite a foul smell if you are not partaking yourself.
This is all I ask. I've never had an interest in weed, but I also don't think it should be illegal. After it was legalized in my state, I started second guessing my stance out of spite. I quickly got tired of not being able to do a chore like grocery shopping without having the store stink of weed because someone couldn't open a window while they baked in their car, or whatever. The commercial culture that sprung up is also annoying, with the amount of dispensary billboards rivaled only by billboards for personal injury lawyers. It's be one thing if it died down after the first year, but that the in-your-faceness of it persists is starting to feel more like an indoctrination. At least in my state, the cannabis community has revealed itself to be the annoying children they were stereotyped as, and that is just disappointing since I voted to legalize it.
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How about the horrible smell produced by those who smoke? It's super reckless to expose others to negative side-effects by somebody who can't control themselves and must smoke.
Edibles don't smell.
Tbf, the parent did specify smoking. However, to your point, legalisation will clearly make it more likely that alternative, less-smelly consumption methods become popular than prohibition.