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Post by agustamir »

ein0p wrote: post #21

Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

If we're giving anecdotes, I'll dish out some too. Maybe you're getting at something - communities looking out for their kind. It might be seen as good or bad depending on the situation. I've seen academic research labs that are heavy on certain ethnicities. I've seen heavy tilt of Chinese students with a Chinese PI, similarly for Iranian, Turkish. Heck, I've seen silicon valley teams that are Indian heavy, Turkish heavy, Filipino heavy.

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Post by syndicatedjelly »

ein0p wrote: post #69
syndicatedjelly wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Broadly speaking this is undeniable, and as an Indian you know it. This is precisely what I meant when I mentioned this can’t be honestly discussed: you’re denying reality to score some grievance points. I do personally know Indians who do not play these games. They exist, you might even be one of them. Congrats! But do consider the following statistics: 30% of Fortune 500 CEOs are Indian, and one third of all Silico…

    Care to theorize why that is?
Sure - it's because Indian people coming from India represent the top cut of a workforce that has an extremely high level of engineering training.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_education_in_India

1.5 million engineering degrees conferred in the year 2021 in India.

Compare that with more than an order of magnitude fewer awarded in the US:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cta/undergrad-deg...

   But do consider the following statistics: 30% of Fortune 500 CEOs are Indian, and one third of all Silicon Valley engineers.
First of all, I'm pretty sure that number is NOT 30%. I want a citation.

Second - English has been taught to generations of primary school students throughout India. English is the language of business. It makes sense that business people with a good grasp of English make it to the top levels of business in Silicon Valley, which almost exclusively transacts in English. I know that English was not widely taught in China (maybe things have changed) - because China wasn't ruled by the British for almost 100 years. As for the engineers, see above stats - there is an enormous talent pool to filter the best from.

It seems like you had some experiences where you observed what appeared to be preference for Indian candidates. Maybe some of those observations were of an Indian person selecting another highly-qualified Indian person for a job. I don't know. Maybe it's also preferential treatment in some cases. I don't know.

Just because you think something is happening, doesn't mean you get to grab a hold of an Indian person and shake them down for a confession. I can make any number of generalizations about your race of people, and demand your justification. But I don't, because I try not to be a shitty person.

You want an honest discussion, there it is. The world is a lot more complex than you think it is. Indian-Americans are not sitting here committing transgressions against you. They are smarter, more educated, and more qualified than the typical American STEM graduate. Step up your game or find a different career with less-qualified people to compete with.

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Post by woooooo »

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #53
ein0p wrote: post #21

Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

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I'd view it as:

1. People do this generally

2. There are a critical mass of Indians in American tech companies, creating ripe conditions among that group in particular

It's fine IMO, total 1st world problem to complain about, but OP was probably being anecdotally honest.

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Post by ja27 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #4

>The American workers say that India’s Tata Consultancy Services illegally discriminated against them based on their race and age, firing them Question to the Americans: if in the US you don't need a reason to fire someone, how can you prove the company was discriminating you when they fired you if they didn't give a reason.

I always called it "being Tata'ed". I know multiple people that have had to train their direct replacement at TCS. The trick is, the companies subcontract whole functions to Tata who are then free to hire H1Bs that then aren't "direct replacements" for the former employee.

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Post by ein0p »

agustamir wrote: post #71
ein0p wrote: post #21

Indians prefer to hire their own, this is very well known. And because this can’t even be discussed honestly, US corporations are powerless against this preferential treatment.

If we're giving anecdotes, I'll dish out some too. Maybe you're getting at something - communities looking out for their kind. It might be seen as good or bad depending on the situation. I've seen academic research labs that are heavy on certain ethnicities. I've seen heavy tilt of Chinese students with a Chinese PI, similarly for Iranian, Turkish. Heck, I've seen silicon valley teams that are Indian heavy, Turkish h…

Yes, in fact currently I am working in a team which has a disproportionate percentage of Iranians. They too like to hire Iranians. I wouldn’t have any problem with any of this if eg it was OK for Americans to prefer Americans too. If we’re going to play games, let’s at least all play by the same rules.

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Post by sumedh »

ein0p wrote: post #69
syndicatedjelly wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Broadly speaking this is undeniable, and as an Indian you know it. This is precisely what I meant when I mentioned this can’t be honestly discussed: you’re denying reality to score some grievance points. I do personally know Indians who do not play these games. They exist, you might even be one of them. Congrats! But do consider the following statistics: 30% of Fortune 500 CEOs are Indian, and one third of all Silico…

> China represents an even larger pool

How many in the Chinese pool speak good English?

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Post by sumedh »

m1117 wrote: post #49

Indians on H1B are the most loyal. They have to wait for their greencards for like 3 billion years, thanks to very fair american immigration system.

> thanks to very fair american immigration system.

Probably an Industry lobbyist came up with that rule so that employees have to depend on the company.

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Post by sumedh »

bluedino wrote: post #62
engineer_22 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H1B means that there are no Americans capable of doing the job

Sadly there aren't many. Most of the H1B's can't do the jobs either

> Most of the H1B's can't do the jobs either

Yet they keep getting contracts and the IT outsourcing company keep on making record profits.

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Post by ein0p »

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #72
ein0p wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Broadly speaking this is undeniable, and as an Indian you know it. This is precisely what I meant when I mentioned this can’t be honestly discussed: you’re denying reality to score some grievance points. I do personally know Indians who do not play these games. They exist, you might even be one of them. Congrats! But do consider the following statistics: 30% of Fortune 500 CEOs are Indian, and one third of all Silico…

Care to theorize why that is? Sure - it's because Indian people coming from India represent the top cut of a workforce that has an extremely high level of engineering training. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_education_in_India 1.5 million engineering degrees conferred in the year 2021 in India. Compare that with more than an order of magnitude fewer awarded in the US: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indic…

Numbers differ. Some sources say 30%, some say 12%, could be there’s weighting by revenue or something idk (Indians run two of the six multi-trillion dollar companies, including the top most valuable one), but I think you’ll agree that whichever way you run the numbers their share is quite disproportionate for a minority comprising 1.3% of the country’s population (4.4M people).

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

ein0p wrote: post #75
agustamir wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're giving anecdotes, I'll dish out some too. Maybe you're getting at something - communities looking out for their kind. It might be seen as good or bad depending on the situation. I've seen academic research labs that are heavy on certain ethnicities. I've seen heavy tilt of Chinese students with a Chinese PI, similarly for Iranian, Turkish. Heck, I've seen silicon valley teams that are Indian heavy, Turkish h…

Yes, in fact currently I am working in a team which has a disproportionate percentage of Iranians. They too like to hire Iranians. I wouldn’t have any problem with any of this if eg it was OK for Americans to prefer Americans too. If we’re going to play games, let’s at least all play by the same rules.

Is it because of bias, or because there are just a lot of Indians in our industry? In my case, I have more than a few levels of managers from India, but there doesn’t seem to be any favoritism going on (I was even asked once if I was interested in people management, and said no).
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