TED and inequality: The real story
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Re: TED and inequality: The real story
#72The response is eloquent, but I think it sidesteps the point that concerns me and many others. Yes, for the reasons stated, this talk is not the right one to be highlighted on Ted.com. It's not censorship, it's a valid editorial decision. But I think the real point is this quote from the NJ article: "But even if the talk was rated a home run, we couldn't release it, because it would be unquestionably regarded as out…
Yeah, their response said exactly what I assumed had happened happened. They, like everyone else building a brand, are trying to erase the truly antagonistic dynamics of modern culture and worship some mythical conflict-free land of bipartisanship and kittens, where smart people never disagree they just have different evidence. That myth is what TED is selling. Not truth, not even a better world, just a world where w…
Because that is how the world should be like and they have a mission to make it real. It's not a myth. It's a goal.
Re: TED and inequality: The real story
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whether or not the talk was politically motivated, if this article is correct about what the speaker did as a result of rejection, the speaker is an attention-seeking demagogue that uses threats and deception for self-promotion.
...or, the speaker is simply passionate about a topic that he believes needs to be discussed as openly as possible. Aren't you now committing the same mistake of guessing the speaker's motivations as everyone who criticized TED?
I know it goes against the conventional wisdom, but in subjects such as politics I haven't been wrong about it yet.
Re: TED and inequality: The real story
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a difference between being controversial and being partisan. The talk directly calls out Republicans. Based on what Chris Anderson said, they would welcome a talk on that controversial subject, but it couldn't call out political parties.
But that is the problem, in a nutshell. We don't want to "call out political parties", so we will ignore the truth that one of the political parties has deviated so far off course, in its anti-science, anti-intellectual, anti-equality pursuit. But let us not speak of it.
There's a big difference between saying Republicans are anti-intellectual and saying anti-intellectualism is bad for the following reasons. TED is all for the latter and completely against the former.
Re: TED and inequality: The real story
#75The video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI
Since it's short, I'll go over it point-by-point.
1. "It is astounding how significantly one idea can
shape a society and its policies. Consider this one:
if taxes on the rich go up, job creation will go
down. This idea is an article of faith for
Republicans, and seldom challenged by Democrats, and
has indeed shaped much of the economic landscape."
The first line of his talk is a bit fluffy, but I don't see anything else here that isn't objectively true. Supply-side economics and increased benefits for the rich are a major part of the Republican platform, and because this idea has been accepted as true by society at large, it is not being directly challenged by the Democrats. (Who, arguably, want just as much to protect the interests of the rich & powerful as the Republicans do.) 2. "But sometimes the ideas that we are certain are
true, are dead wrong. Consider that for thousands of
years, humans believed that the Earth was the center
of the universe. It's not, and an astronomer who
still believed that it was, would do some pretty
terrible astronomy. Likewise, a policymaker who
believes that the rich are job creators and therefore
should not be taxed, will do equally terrible
policy."
This is just bad rhetoric and bad logic, IMO. I get the point he's trying to make, but he's not making it well -- and this is where I begin to really understand TED's decision not to highlight his video on their front page. 3. "I have started or helped start dozens of companies,
and initially hired lots of people, but if there was
no one around who could afford to buy what we had to
sell, all those companies, and all those jobs, would
have evaporated."
I can't agree more with this. I think this should be obvious to anybody that thinks about economics at all, and I think this is the absolutely massive achilles' heel for supply-side economics, the elephant in the room that people don't want to talk about. 4. "That's why I can say with confidence that rich
people don't create jobs, nor do businesses large or
small. Jobs are a consequence of a circle-of-life-
like feedback loop between customers and businesses.
And only consumers can set in motion this virtuous
cycle of increasing demand and hiring. In this sense,
an ordinary consumer is more of a job creator than a
capitalist like me. That's why when business people
take credit for creating jobs, it's a little bit like
squirrels taking credit for evolution. (audience
chuckles) It's actually the other way around. Anyone
who's ever run a business knows that hiring more
people is a course of last resort for capitalists.
It's what we do if and only if rising consumer demand
requires it. And in this sense, calling ourselves job
creators isn't just inaccurate, it's disingenuous."
Again, the delivery here is terrible, IMO, but I think his overall point is largely correct. But, there are exceptions. It would be hard to argue that PG, for example, isn't a "job creator" -- or at least a wealth creator. He, and others like him, are lowering the barriers to opportunity for many people and businesses. However, there still needs to be demand for the products and services those businesses offer -- as PG himself would tell you.Would you, for example, deploy 100 times more servers than you thought you actually needed to meet demand for your SAAS or PAAS? No? Then why would somebody running a large corporation hire more people than they thought would be needed to meet consumer demand?
5. "That's why our existing policies are so upside-down.
When the biggest tax exemptions, and lowest tax
rates, benefit the richest, all in the name of job
creation, all that happens is that the rich get
richer. Since 1980, the share of income for the top
1% of Americans has more than tripled while our
effective tax rates have gone down by 50%. If it was
true that lower taxes for the rich and more wealth
for the wealthy led to job creation, today we would
be drowning in jobs. (audience laughter and applause)
and yet unemployment and underemployment is at record
highs."
Again he kills an overall good point with a terrible statement -- unemployment and underemployment are high, yes, but nowhere near record highs. 6. "Another reason that this idea is so wrong-headed is
that there can never be enough super-rich people to
power a great economy. Somebody like me makes
hundreds or thousands of times as much as the median
American, but I don't buy hundreds or thousands of
times as much stuff. My family owns 3 cars, not
3,000. I buy a few pairs of pants and shirts a year
like most American men, occasionally we go out to eat
with friends. I can't buy enough of anything to make
up for the fact that millions of unemployed and
underemployed Americans can't buy any new cars, any
clothes, or enjoy any meals out. Nor can I make up
for the falling consumption of the vast majority of
middle-class families that are barely squeaking by,
buried by spiraling costs, and trapped by stagnant or
declining wages."
7. "Here's an incredible fact: that if the typical
American family still retained the same share of
income that they did in 1970, they'd earn like
$45,000 more a year. Imagine what our economy would
be like if that were the case."
8. "Significant privileges have come to people like me,
capitalists, for being perceived as job creators at
the center of the economic universe, and the language
and metaphors we use to defend the current economic
and social arrangements is telling. It's a small jump
from 'job creator' to 'The Creator'. (audience
laughter) This language wasn't chosen by accident,
and it's only honest to admit that when somebody like
me calls themselves a job creator, we're not just
describing how the economy works, but more
particularly we're making a claim on status and
privileges that we deserve."
While perhaps true, I think that this part really detracts from his talk. 9. "Speaking of special privileges, the extraordinary
differential between the 15% tax rate that
capitalists pay on carried interest, dividends, and
capital gains, and the 35% top marginal rate on work
that ordinary Americans pay, is kind of hard to
justify without a touch of deification."
Man, this is just so bad right here. He really ruins his talk with this. Stick to the points, stick to the points, stick to the points. 10. "We've had it backwards for the last 30 years. Rich
people like me don't create jobs. Jobs are a
consequence of an eco-systemic feedback loop between
customers and businesses. And, when the middle-class
thrives, businesses grow and hire, and owners
profit. That's why taxing the rich to pay for
investments that benefit all is such a fantastic
deal for the middle class and the rich. So, ladies
and gentlemen, here's an idea worth spreading: in a
capitalist economy, the true job creators are
middle-class consumers, and taxing the rich to make
investments to make the middle class grow and thrive
is the single shrewdest thing we can do for the
middle class, for the poor, and for the rich. Thank
you."
I really think his conclusion here is a little bit overwrought. Again, I agree with what he's saying, but the delivery, especially the references to TED's "ideas worth spreading", is just unnecessary and superfluous.As for TED's response, they justified their decision not to post the video with several points: that it was unnecessarily partisan, that it was unconvincing, and that it was mediocre.
I do not see that it was unnecessarily partisan at all. He mentions political parties exactly once, at the beginning of his talk, and I don't think he said anything there that wasn't true.
But, I could agree that his talk was unconvincing to anyone who steadfastly believes in supply-side economics. He didn't present facts well enough, and his talk was salted and peppered with too much opinion, hyperbole, and fluff.
And, I agree wholeheartedly that it was mediocre. Compared to the talks featured on TED's home page, it just doesn't have the substance, the impact, the original research, or the delivery that those talks have. It's just not good enough of a talk. He's got good points. He clearly has something to say, and I would love nothing more than to hear more discussion like this in our national politics, instead of continuing to take a cargo-cult approach towards heaping benefits on the wealthiest class. However, he's a terrible speaker, and his talk in general needs a lot of work.
(39 comments on this thread when I started writing this, and none actually discussing the content of the video -- tsk.)
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Re: TED and inequality: The real story
#76If I gave a TED talk that just was a fisher-price version of Bastiat's broken window, should it be aired? Should I call it censorship if it wasn't?
Re: TED and inequality: The real story
#77I wouldn't call this "the story behind" but rather "she said." While I find it interesting that the author does not dispute the accuracy of the emails describing the talk as too controversial, what I find troubling is that the author insinuates that hiring a PR firm calls a person's character into question. In 2010, the Sapling Foundation which owns TED spend more than $100,000 on PR: http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/…
Re: TED and inequality: The real story
#78Mr. Rosling made a seminal talk that is one of the 3 or 4 that I think of when I think of TED. It was data-driven and multi-dimensional. At the same time, you're learning about the content -- global poverty through the eyes of a top UN advisor -- you're watching world-class data visualization.
Since their inception, TED has done a tremendous job staying on message. Most talks are given by people who are up to their elbows in the subject matter that they're talking about. This entrepreneur works in the business community, so there's relevance there, but that's pretty abstract. I would much rather this point be made by a union organizer.
The core message of the non-TED talk is a good one. That is the problem. The entrepreneur and the internet grassroots that have followed him are over the moon for it and are happy with the implementation that have here. If they were a bit less resistant to the criticism they've received, they could probably find a better way to get their message out.
For instance, how much more credible would it be if there were an enterprising union leader who could talk about his or her chapter's strategies, and who has measured the boost that their union members' employment has brought to their local community? In this age when many employers can't afford to invest in training employees who will leave their firms in 5 years, a union that provided job security to its members through training partnerships with local community colleges, and provided quality assurance to employers through licenses, and certifications in order to close the skills gap would be an inspiring organization. If they were providing each other with unemployment insurance and allowing the federal government to spend less money, that's a bi-partisan win!
An approach like that works at TED. One that can't be cobbled together in a weekend. These talks are almost always personal, representing years of on-the-ground activity. If they aren't given by the leader in the field they're given by someone with a unique perspective, like Jill Bolte Taylor, the stroke victim/neuroscientist who talked about the stroke she had.
This entrepreneur has a compelling message, one that I agree with, but his standpoint isn't special and his content hasn't progressed further than a well fleshed-out idea.
1. http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_reveals_new_insights_o...
Re: TED and inequality: The real story
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was an issue on Reddit and elsewhere. Ticket prices to a TED talk are at least $6k apparently http://www.ted.com/conversations/1950/ted_s_6000_price_tag_l... One ticket went for $33k http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/next/archives/2008/01/a...
How much is a ticket to their youtube channel?