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Post by krapp »

Wissenschafter wrote: post #64
nerdjon wrote: post #32

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> thinks opposition to AI is a good thing. Because we don't want nearly every job to be automated by AI? "Crazy world"

It's crazy you think we don't want our jobs automated away. The whole point of automation is to reduce human labor. Mind boggling people literally choose to want to have to labor even if it is no longer necessary.

>Mind boggling people literally choose to want to have to labor even if it is no longer necessary.

It is necessary, it just isn't available. We still live in a capitalist society in which anyone not a member of the capitalist class is required to labor in order to afford the necessities of survival. AI means fewer opportunities to do so, despite the requirement remaining constant. No one is choosing to labor under this system, any more than one chooses to eat, drink or sleep.

AI is not being implemented to free the labor class from this obligation, it is being implemented to free the capitalist class from the obligation to provide the means of survival to the labor class in exchange for their labor. The end result will not be the labor classes living lives of luxury in creative and intellectual pursuit, but as much unemployment and poverty as the market can bear.

Re: AI-Shunning robots.txt

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Post by beeboobaa3 »

Wissenschafter wrote: post #70
beeboobaa3 wrote: post #63

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You sound incredibly naive. Good luck enjoying technology when all you get to do is manual labor to feed the machine. Everything else will be done "for us", with the rich people in charge of it all.

I sound naive? Have you even read any Marx?

Are you going to reply to the comment, or just keep slinging vague personal attacks?

Re: AI-Shunning robots.txt

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Post by Wissenschafter »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #66
Wissenschafter wrote: post #53

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I'm 30, you sound older. I did my education in philosophy and physics and I'm a data engineer at a F200. I think you couldn't be more wrong, and out of touch. You sound like Kaczynsky. I love technology because it's interesting, who cares what rich people think. I can't understand this oldhead defeatist mentality a lot of people here seem to have similar to yours.

I love wildlife and the natural world, and technology is utterly dependent on destroying it via mining. The directions we go in shouldn't be determined based on just whether they are interesting. They also need to be constrained based on whether they are sustainable. You obviously don't care much about the negative environmental effects of technological development. By the way, I am not defeatist because: 1. I think…

A mine is just as natural as an antill. It's your perspective that is the unnatural one.

Humans are not separate from the nature we exist in.

Re: AI-Shunning robots.txt

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Post by Wissenschafter »

beeboobaa3 wrote: post #72
Wissenschafter wrote: post #70

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I sound naive? Have you even read any Marx?

Are you going to reply to the comment, or just keep slinging vague personal attacks?

I did reply to the comment, you didn't even ask a question. What is your point? Also, I will vaguely attack people. I don't care. Stupid people and things annoy me and I don't have a filter for it. Sue me.

Re: AI-Shunning robots.txt

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Post by vouaobrasil »

Wissenschafter wrote: post #73
vouaobrasil wrote: post #66

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I love wildlife and the natural world, and technology is utterly dependent on destroying it via mining. The directions we go in shouldn't be determined based on just whether they are interesting. They also need to be constrained based on whether they are sustainable. You obviously don't care much about the negative environmental effects of technological development. By the way, I am not defeatist because: 1. I think…

A mine is just as natural as an antill. It's your perspective that is the unnatural one. Humans are not separate from the nature we exist in.

In that case, we should just eradicate all life on this planet because any action we do is natural....

...or, we could actually evaluate the transition of life from natural to technological. Yes, in a philosophical sense, you are right, what we do is "natural". But then if we just say everything we do is natural, then we might as well just do nothing. But there are still meaningful distinctions between the technological human organization (even if natural) and the rest of the world, and we would do well to examine if what we are doing is really harmonious with everything-but-us -- because if not, then I reject it outright even if it is natural in the sense that you describe.

Your wordplay is really not very impressive.

Re: AI-Shunning robots.txt

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Post by Wissenschafter »

nunez wrote: post #55
bembo wrote: post #37

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Why wouldn't we want jobs to be automated exactly?

Because every job that gets automated creates massive unemployment for those who were skilled in it what do you think will happen to us devs if AI gets good enough to do our jobs? Do you think our companies will keep us around because we're just so darn smart? What do you think is _already happening_ to in-house artists, content/technical writers, marketing analysts, and other jobs that are directly impacted by LLMs…

I'm not a selfish asshole, just a normal asshole. Yeah, I'm going to be affected by my job also being automated, everyone will. It's not a field specific problem. It's a societal paradigm change.

Re: AI-Shunning robots.txt

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Post by pseudonamed »

Wissenschafter wrote: post #73
vouaobrasil wrote: post #66

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I love wildlife and the natural world, and technology is utterly dependent on destroying it via mining. The directions we go in shouldn't be determined based on just whether they are interesting. They also need to be constrained based on whether they are sustainable. You obviously don't care much about the negative environmental effects of technological development. By the way, I am not defeatist because: 1. I think…

A mine is just as natural as an antill. It's your perspective that is the unnatural one. Humans are not separate from the nature we exist in.

Indeed, we aren't separate; that does not mean that swimming in an acid mine lake is equivalent to swimming in a clear glacial lake... one is more likely to kill you than the other.

You mentioned studying philosophy, you're confusing your ontological and epistemological positions.

Re: AI-Shunning robots.txt

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Post by quickslowdown »

Wissenschafter wrote: post #31
vouaobrasil wrote: post #21

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> Either way, this is an exercise in futility. Is it really? Every drop of opposition towards AI in my book is a good thing. This robots.txt thing is a small drop maybe, but over time public hatred for AI can build and it might in fact be taken down. Especially outside the tech bubble, many people are ambivalent towards AI. Yes, in modern society were are taught to value innovation and ignore its downsides, but the m…

Only on hackernews you get the most ironic of takes. Supposedly someone who is educated and technologically literate to a high degree, thinks opposition to AI is a good thing. Crazy world.

Crazy world when any random person on the Internet just assumes everyone else thinks the way they do. Put me solidly in the camp of educated & "technologically literate to a high degree" and also in opposition of AI.

Re: AI-Shunning robots.txt

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Post by tbeseda »

gavinhking wrote: post #39
jddj wrote: post #6

The named source, https://darkvisitors.com , is interesting.

I made this, let me know if you have questions or feedback.

Thanks for the work on this!

I automated my site's robots.txt[0] by scraping your site. It would be extra nice if darkvisitor.com exposed a plain text version or JSON representation of the list.

[0] https://tbeseda.com/blog/automating-my-robots-txt-to-block-a...

Re: AI-Shunning robots.txt

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Post by Wissenschafter »

quickslowdown wrote: post #78
Wissenschafter wrote: post #31

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Only on hackernews you get the most ironic of takes. Supposedly someone who is educated and technologically literate to a high degree, thinks opposition to AI is a good thing. Crazy world.

Crazy world when any random person on the Internet just assumes everyone else thinks the way they do. Put me solidly in the camp of educated & "technologically literate to a high degree" and also in opposition of AI.

The two are inherently incompatible to me. I don't understand how you can hold those positions.

To me, being against AI is pretty much 'evil'. You support humans existing in a barbaric existence like animals, suffering. I support laws to criminalize people hampering it like they are doing in Japan.

I literally will fight against people like you.

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