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Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by Firaxus »

willwade wrote: post #26

Some clarity for ppl. - Other techniques would likely work for this patient. Eyegaze technology is pretty readily available. He has proximity switches for driving his chair and lets not forget voice control. So.. what does BCIe offer significantly? I think this is the BIG problem BCI has. The gains are not enough for a lot of people compared to what the AT sector can already offer. Please remember this. This guy coul…

He notes these other forms of HCI in the video, and I think you’re really underselling the main point of this being ease of use. All of those methods are significantly degraded experiences compared to normal ways of interacting with a computer. The potential for a quadriplegic to interface with a computer at a higher ease of use compared to a human without disabilities is huge.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by AlexCoventry »

elif wrote: post #39
BadHumans wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are referring to Tesla promotional FSD videos being heavily edited. https://www.pcmag.com/news/tesla-faked-autopilot-video-engin... While not an Musk company, it is worth remembering Theranos demos being convincingly faked as well. I don't know if it is happening here but it does happen.

That's not faked though.. according to your link they tried multiple times and only showed the success video. But the statement that the software drove with no intervention was accurate, and the video was authentic.

That's at least misleading. By that standard, the current video wouldn't be fake if the subject were primarily operating his computer through eye-tracking software, since no explicit representations were made about the mechanism of control.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by TheAlchemist »

elif wrote: post #39
BadHumans wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are referring to Tesla promotional FSD videos being heavily edited. https://www.pcmag.com/news/tesla-faked-autopilot-video-engin... While not an Musk company, it is worth remembering Theranos demos being convincingly faked as well. I don't know if it is happening here but it does happen.

That's not faked though.. according to your link they tried multiple times and only showed the success video. But the statement that the software drove with no intervention was accurate, and the video was authentic.

The link says that the route was pre-determined, pre-mapped, tried multiple times and crashed once during the trials.

By the same logic, this video would not be faked even if in fact it's the same chess move he tried for 2 months and it's the only one working, and also another patient died.

Not saying it's the case - clearly not. But yeah, let's be real.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by ein0p »

ShamelessC wrote: post #69
ein0p wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the idea itself, but this specific implementation. Musk has clearly read quite a bit of Banks and Heinlein.

That’s fair I suppose but it’s probably giving more credit to Musk than he deserves. The real work is all being done by researchers who are drastically more knowledgeable about all of this than he is. He’s wise to invest in these sorts of ideas though and deserves credit for that.

Yeah those researchers would be aimlessly rotting in academia if he didn’t fund risky, out there stuff like this. I can’t name anyone else among his peers who spends their wealth on anything even remotely civilizationally beneficial.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by dmicah »

PetitPrince wrote: post #41
willwade wrote: post #26

Some clarity for ppl. - Other techniques would likely work for this patient. Eyegaze technology is pretty readily available. He has proximity switches for driving his chair and lets not forget voice control. So.. what does BCIe offer significantly? I think this is the BIG problem BCI has. The gains are not enough for a lot of people compared to what the AT sector can already offer. Please remember this. This guy coul…

> You can do it with surface EEG. sticking it inside your head - closer to centres where you can measure intentional and thought makes vy signal cleaner and more reliable. Further clarification: when doing conventional EEG, the signal quality is so fragile that even blinking can produce recording artifact. Also, there's the whole "put a shower cap with conductive gel" things that makes it very impractical for every d…

There are 'dry' EEG electrodes which don't require conductive gel, and algorithms to remove the electrical effect of eye-blinks (ICA, etc.)

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by ramblenode »

PetitPrince wrote: post #41
willwade wrote: post #26

Some clarity for ppl. - Other techniques would likely work for this patient. Eyegaze technology is pretty readily available. He has proximity switches for driving his chair and lets not forget voice control. So.. what does BCIe offer significantly? I think this is the BIG problem BCI has. The gains are not enough for a lot of people compared to what the AT sector can already offer. Please remember this. This guy coul…

> You can do it with surface EEG. sticking it inside your head - closer to centres where you can measure intentional and thought makes vy signal cleaner and more reliable. Further clarification: when doing conventional EEG, the signal quality is so fragile that even blinking can produce recording artifact. Also, there's the whole "put a shower cap with conductive gel" things that makes it very impractical for every d…

You don't need a full EEG to do what the parent mentions. 3 electrodes around each eye (EOG) + ground is all that is needed. Even cheap commercial electrodes will work for this. Blinks can be filtered online with PCA-like techniques.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by ta988 »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #67
sambroner wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good point. Seems like a likely candidate for an S curve in tech development. i.e. next 15 years of VR are improvements to camera, display, and tracking technology. Following 15 years are brain implants.

I would be excited if I didn't fear them putting ads directly into my brain.

They don't need to put ads. they just need to make you go buy something.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

ShamelessC wrote: post #69
ein0p wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the idea itself, but this specific implementation. Musk has clearly read quite a bit of Banks and Heinlein.

That’s fair I suppose but it’s probably giving more credit to Musk than he deserves. The real work is all being done by researchers who are drastically more knowledgeable about all of this than he is. He’s wise to invest in these sorts of ideas though and deserves credit for that.

I think he deserves an awful lot of credit for funding such a pie in th sky idea and giving those researches a chance to even attempt it.

In 1 month he's launched the largest rocket ever, done one of the first successful brain implants ever and released a pretty amazing version of FSD.

No other billionaires have done even 1 of those things. Even if he was a buffoon he deserves credit foe the audacity.

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