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FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by uxp100 »

tomrod wrote: post #51
Johnny555 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't 3 9's acceptable for residential home internet? That's less than 9 hours of downtime a year, 44 minutes/month. Sure, I'd like 4 or even 5 9's, but I don't want to pay for it -- each additional 9 is exponentially more expensive to guarantee, and few people are willing to pay for that much reliability for their own network gear.

4 nines is reasonable, 5 nines a good target. ISPs have become utilities, especially since covid.

My electrical utility does not hit 4 nines, maybe not even 3. Water and sewer? Definitely.

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Post by Johnny555 »

cogman10 wrote: post #21
jdminhbg wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Three nines is completely unacceptable Less than 9 hrs of downtime per year is unacceptable for consumer internet?

If we limit it to issues that the ISP owns, then I'd say yes. What does the ISP have that can cause 9 hours worth of outages throughout the year? The only thing I could think of is the ISP being targeted by a massive DDOS attack.

What does the ISP have that can cause 9 hours worth of outages throughout the year

They have the real world -- ice storms, trees blown down by wind storms, power outages, backhoe outages, etc.

A tree took out internet in my neighborhood for 2 days, others had longer outages since it was a big storm and it took a while to repair.

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

devindotcom wrote: post #52

That explains why I got this email from my broadband provider this morning: >We've increased your internet speeds to show you our appreciation I was wondering what I'd done to deserve it!

>"We appreciate providing you with the bare minimum, as required by statute."

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

Shank wrote: post #66
andrewaylett wrote: post #47

IMNSHO, latency is more important than raw bandwidth, and raw bandwidth for consumer Internet is more useful as a latency improvement (because the high speed drains the buffers that much faster) than for actually using the bandwidth. If you've got actually decent Internet, or you actually do use the bandwidth, great! My experience is that only a few applications will max out my 115Mbit/s connection, and given I have…

> My experience is that only a few applications will max out my 115Mbit/s connection, and given I have semi-decent kit and a decent ISP using the full bandwidth doesn't have a big impact on latency so I can be streaming, downloading, and have multiple people video-calling and that's fine. My experience is that people rarely feel constrained by bandwidth because everyone is fighting to optimize every last bit, often u…

> Not a single video calling app that I’ve used recently feels like it’s actually delivering good video to me. They're all bitcrushed.

I suspect this is largely done for the sake of latency, due to buffer bloat.

Well, that and as a result of typical upload speeds being much lower than download speeds.

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Post by mattmaroon »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #7

tldr; Today: 100Mbps down / 20Mbps up (45 million Americans lack access as of Dec 2022) 2015 onward: 25Mbps down / 3Mbps up Pre-2015: 4Mbps down / 1Mbps up The commission's longterm goal is 1Gbps down / 500Mbps up. These distinctions of 'broadband' help determine where to focus resources.

Despite living in a city, I was one of those 45 million until pretty recently. Due to some weird network topography, I only had one option, spectrum, and it never worked very well, and they never were very incentivized to fix it.

Now that 5G Internet exists, I am paying $25 a month for 300 Mb access and my life is better. I debated over years just because of the inability to get decent Internet at home.

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Post by supportengineer »

devindotcom wrote: post #52

That explains why I got this email from my broadband provider this morning: >We've increased your internet speeds to show you our appreciation I was wondering what I'd done to deserve it!

Yes - same from Xfinity

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Post by dghlsakjg »

google234123 wrote: post #19

This is over regulation imo. If you support this then you can’t complain about there not being any low cost housing because it’s regulations akin to this that is increasing the costs. 25->100 is more of a luxury then a necessity

Changing the definition of something for statistical purposes is over-regulation?
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