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How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Re: How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Post by ghaff »

danaris wrote: post #68
carlosjobim wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> remain in the music business If you're not getting paid, you're not doing "business". Yes, there are many other examples of companies having exploratory practices the same way as Spotify. That still does not explain very well why people put up with it. If a farmer exploits a migrant worker, the migrant worker gets paid enough for shelter and food. He is depending on that job for surviving. When artists are exploite…

Because the other thing Spotify gets them is exposure. Whether or not it's worth what they have to deal with from Spotify, I have no idea—but I can absolutely see many artists putting up with it in hopes that being heard on Spotify will get people to buy their merch, come to their concerts, etc.

Musicians/DJs/etc. also often do corporate gigs to eat. I'm sure they'd often much rather be playing for passionate fans in a bar than playing at some event where half the time the attendees are largely ignoring them except to wish they would turn down the volume so they could have a conversation.

Somewhat different situation than the Spotify case which is arguably mostly an advertising channel while corporate gigs actually pay directly. But creatives of all stripes doing things they'd rather not do so they can live, do what they want to do, and have a sliver of a sliver of a chance to breakout is extremely common.

Re: How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Post by DANmode »

lukan wrote: post #21
DANmode wrote: post #20

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Can you think of any legal mandates that might influence that decision?

Right now, no. What do you mean? The whole site is illegal anyway. Is there a legal difference in "donating" and getting benefits. And "buying" for benefits, when the benefits are illegal in both cases?

Tax collection, business licenses, etc

Re: How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Post by beeboobaa »

kerkeslager wrote: post #57
beeboobaa wrote: post #47

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The thing is that countless of lives have been ruined by bigcorps for doing "piracy". But now the bigcorps see it as a way to gain more money and control over other's lifes, so suddenly doing piracy is totally fine and for the greater good! The worst part is that these individuals whose lives have been ruined weren't even harming anyone. Their operations were on such a small scale that it barely had any impact. But t…

> But now the bigcorps see it as a way to gain more money and control over other's lifes, so suddenly doing piracy is totally fine and for the greater good! I'm definitely about as anti-corporation as you're going to find on HN, but I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're describing. It seems like bigcorps are definitely still fighting against piracy. At the moment, players like Anna's Archive appear to be winning becaus…

> It seems like bigcorps are definitely still fighting against piracy

Microsoft with OpenAI is leading the race, but all of the AI orgs are basically just laundering copyrighted material they do not have the rights to.

Re: How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Post by wutwutwat »

fsflover wrote: post #35

Why don't they mention a possibility to do torrenting in I2P, which is truly anonymous and safe (although slow)? It seems like a very dangerous thing to do in the clearnet.

> torrenting in I2P, which is truly anonymous and safe

Same was said about TOR

There is no such thing as truly anonymous and safe and there never will be

Re: How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Post by Case_of_Mondays »

I often think about what digital information from the current time humans will still be able to access in 1000 years. Everyone's talking about IP law but I think future historians will be thankful for projects like this that aim to democratize knowledge and preserve it for the future

Re: How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Post by lannisterstark »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #6
crtasm wrote: post #4

While I know they need to fund servers somehow, the approach and wording of their download page doesn't sit right with me: >Fast downloads - Become a member to support the long-term preservation of books, papers, and more. To show our gratitude for your support, you get fast downloads. >[3 "Fast Partner Server" links] >Refer a friend, and both you and your friend get 50% bonus fast downloads! >[3 "Slow Partner Server…

From the FAQ, https://annas-archive.org/donation_faq >If you don’t like how we operate our project, go run your own shadow library! All our code and data are open source, so nothing is stopping you. ;) Or be more specific what doesn't sit right with you.

This is such a childish response to the comment. "wah if you criticize us go do your own thing we really dislike taking feedback" is absurdly naive.

Re: How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Post by fsflover »

wutwutwat wrote: post #74
fsflover wrote: post #35

Why don't they mention a possibility to do torrenting in I2P, which is truly anonymous and safe (although slow)? It seems like a very dangerous thing to do in the clearnet.

> torrenting in I2P, which is truly anonymous and safe Same was said about TOR There is no such thing as truly anonymous and safe and there never will be

It's officially not recommended to use Tor for torrents.

> There is no such thing as truly anonymous and safe and there never will be

Of course, there are no absolutes, but there is a reasonable privacy and safety.

Re: How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Post by amenhotep »

carlosjobim wrote: post #62
ghaff wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discovery is one important reason. Not that that's guaranteed to work. You probably need to do your own marketing--including playing at local bars etc. for pennies and tips. Of course, the same things is mostly true these days for writers with a publishing contract. People pursue creative pursuits for a lot of different reasons, including personal fulfillment. But you pretty much have to win the lottery to make a dec…

I get it, but I just think it's strange. Like it would be wrong for a brick layer to let himself be taken totally advantage of, even if he enjoys laying bricks. If it's for personal fulfilment, artists can be happy with the sales they can make on their own, even if the numbers are small. Or even give their music away for free, if they want to get as many listeners as possible. But what is the sense in letting a billi…

You keep returning to bricklayers and that's a really odd way to analogise it. The bricklayer is tangibly giving away the results of his labour - once he's finished building a house, he doesn't have it any more. Musicians are not giving Spotify their music! They're not sitting there slaving away at an album, handing it over to Spotify, and being left with nothing. It's still their album.

If musicians were actually left without their music, like the bricklayer, I'd agree with you and I think so would most people. But conversely, if a bricklayer really loved building houses, spent a great deal of time building houses, owned all of them himself and they were empty and he was doing nothing with them, and a company came up to him and said "hey, we like your houses, we have a business letting people go on tours through houses and we make money off it, would you let us run tours through your houses in exchange for a cut of the profits, which will probably be very small but could be large?" then I don't think you can be too scandalised by him taking the deal and making at least some money off these houses that he'd already built and was doing nothing with! Even if you think selling photos of the houses directly to customers is a better model! Especially since he can still do that!

Re: How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Post by wutwutwat »

fsflover wrote: post #77
wutwutwat wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> torrenting in I2P, which is truly anonymous and safe Same was said about TOR There is no such thing as truly anonymous and safe and there never will be

It's officially not recommended to use Tor for torrents. > There is no such thing as truly anonymous and safe and there never will be Of course, there are no absolutes, but there is a reasonable privacy and safety.

I was talking about TOR being anonymous not just torrents over TOR, just ask the Silk Road guy who had his IP leak afaik

Re: How to become a pirate archivist (2022)

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Post by wutwutwat »

fsflover wrote: post #77
wutwutwat wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> torrenting in I2P, which is truly anonymous and safe Same was said about TOR There is no such thing as truly anonymous and safe and there never will be

It's officially not recommended to use Tor for torrents. > There is no such thing as truly anonymous and safe and there never will be Of course, there are no absolutes, but there is a reasonable privacy and safety.

If you’re doing something online, assume it’s public.

> If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

- Eric Schmidt - Former Google CEO

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