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Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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So move out to a cloud that doesn’t charge egress. Unless of course you went all in on IAM, Lambda, API gateway etc etc instead of just running software on Linux. In which case you’ll need to stay.

As far as AWS 'koolaid' goes, you picked the stuff that's actually pretty useful and sensible to use. (But also fairly portable anyway? The big ones at least have pretty comparable solutions.)

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Beginner here, but shouldn't `terraform destroy` make this very easy? Assuming you deploy everything with IaC.

There can be resources created implicitly, even when using IaC tools. One example, create a lambda, without an explicit log group, one will be automatically created for you outside of the tracked state.

Is this true? I know it's not true when using terraform for things like ECS. I suppose I can just test this myself.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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AFAIK this is pretty much the moat collapsing on big cloud. That said you still have to contact them for it so not truly free movement. Once it becomes truly free to move data out things will get interesting. The stock market didn’t really seem to care that much which was surprising.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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> The waiver on data transfer out to the internet charges also follows the direction set by the European Data Act and is available to all AWS customers around the world and from any AWS Region. Thank you, EU, on behalf of the rest of the world

It’s way too early to thank them. Wait 5-10 years, see what effect it has on prices, competition etc

How can the ability to transfer data to another cloud provider or your own server increase price?? Doesn't that mean there is more & fairer competition?

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Invisible hand works in perfect markets which never exist in reality. It is used as a smokescreen by the people with insane amounts of money who can bend the rules to their will, to convince the rest of the people how the economy works. Like most of economics

Adam Smith himself never claimed it was that simple. He also wrote on ethics (and regarded that book as more important IIRC). He also warned that those is the same trade would inevitably conspire against the public.

That is weird, people taking a body of work out of context to advance their agenda.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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It’s way too early to thank them. Wait 5-10 years, see what effect it has on prices, competition etc

GCP, Azure and AWS have been here for more than 10 years, free to do almost whatever they want. Did the prices decrease and competions pop up everywhere ?

Well seeing that according to the CEO of Amazon and former CEO of AWS, Andy Jassy, only 5%-10% of all IT infrastructure spend is on any cloud provider, the three cloud providers can hardly be considered an oligopoly.

https://accelerationeconomy.com/cloud-wars/amazon-ceo-andy-j...

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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One of the other question is whether you have to delete all data / close your account 60 days after you transfer out without fee: https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1765102310563500521 Probably obeying the letter of the European Data Act, but obviously not great if true.

This is addressed in the article. The answer is no.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress contains a pretty good overview of Amazon’s margins.

Yes You just have to believe that, on the scale on AWS, 1Mbps in Europe costs 0.08$ (includes the transit, the hardware, the people etc). This includes every networking parts : do not forget the switches and stuff : VPC are free, and intra-zone network is free. Someone must pay, so it is sane to assume that "someone" is partly cross-region, partly internet egress, partly cross-zone. Don't forget the R&D that revolves…

You only need to look at the pricing of their other competitors which comes nowhere close to the costs of AWS networking (except for Azure and GCP).

Also snarky statements such as the ones you are making do not particularly help your argument.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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Iterate over all S3 buckets in your terraform files and add `force_destroy` to them [1], then apply and destroy. There could probably be an automated tool for this that wouldn't be too complex. [1] https://registry.terraform.io/providers/hashicorp/aws/latest...

Does that take care of deleting the files inside the bucket? That's an API call ($). Depending on the data that could be quite a bit.

Delete API calls are free, listing the objects in a bucket to know what to delete is not.

Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS

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It’s way too early to thank them. Wait 5-10 years, see what effect it has on prices, competition etc

How can the ability to transfer data to another cloud provider or your own server increase price?? Doesn't that mean there is more & fairer competition?

I think they mean that AWS et al will make that margin up somewhere else by either charging for something they didn’t charge for before or increasing prices.

Companies don’t like to have their bottom line affected.

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