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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by r721 » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 4:30 PM UTC

What happened with the ranking? Were there people who flagged all the stories, even the first (obviously newsworthy) one?

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by pton_xd » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 4:30 PM UTC

snapcaster wrote: post #41

root_axis wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also no reason to believe that incremental progress in transformer models will eventually lead to "AGI".

Yes, but I think everyone would agree that the chance isn't 0%

It's a static single-pass feed-forward network. How could that possibly result in AGI?! (Queue famous last words ...)

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by a_humean » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 4:30 PM UTC

ungreased0675 wrote: post #20

I do wonder if OpenAI is built on a house of cards. They aren’t a nonprofit, aren’t open, and stole a huge quantity of copyrighted material to get started. But, by moving fast and scaling quickly, are they at the Too Big to Fail stage already? The attempted board coup makes me think so.

Openai isn't even close to too big to fail. Bank of America fails the entire banking system collapses and the entire real economy grinds to a halt. If GM fails hundreds of thousands lose their jobs and entire supply chains collapse. If power utilities fail then people start actually dying within hours or days.

If OpenAI fails nothing actually important happens.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by Gormo » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 4:30 PM UTC

breadwinner wrote: post #33

Hamuko wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would he have standing by having a company competing in the same space as OpenAI?

He would have the opposite of a standing, right? It seems he wants to slow down OpenAI so that his competing company can catch up.

Or, looking at it the other way, he is complaining that a non-profit organization he donated funds to has allocated those funds to engage in for-profit business that directly competes with his own. Viewed that way, he ought to have extra standing.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by Retric » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 4:30 PM UTC

breadwinner wrote: post #32

username332211 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's a donor to the OpenAi non-profit organization.

A donor usually is only able to say how his donation will be used. For example, if you donate to Harvard University, you can say the money will be earmarked for scholarships, but you don't get a say on how the university is managed. You can at best say you will no longer donate based on how the university is managed.

A donor can sue and win in cases of fraud. Being a 501 (c) isn’t some shield that means any behavior is permitted.

In this case there’s a specific agreement that’s allegedly been breached. Basically they said results of AI research would be shared openly without benefiting any specific party, and then later entered into a private agreement with Microsoft.

I don’t know how binding any of this is, but I doubt this will simply be dismissed by the judge.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by jcranmer » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 4:31 PM UTC

breadwinner wrote: post #28

In what capacity is Musk suing OpenAI? Musk may have co-founded the company, but then he left (to avoid any potential future conflict of interest with his role as CEO of Tesla, as Tesla was increasingly becoming an AI-intensive company). Is he a shareholder, if not what gives him any say in the future of the company?

The essential theory of the case is that OpenAI is misusing the funds Musk donated to it.

reads prayer for relief

> For a judicial determination that GPT-4 constitutes Artificial General Intelligence

Okay, WTF? I'm going to have to read the entire complaint now.....

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by mise_en_place » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 4:31 PM UTC

This is an admirable lawsuit, however, Musk is no longer on the board. That means he has as much say in the direction of the company as a random crackhead living on the BART train. The article states he left the board in 2018.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by dang » Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 4:31 PM UTC

r721 wrote: post #71

What happened with the ranking? Were there people who flagged all the stories, even the first (obviously newsworthy) one?

The 30 or so submissions of this story all set off a bunch of software penalties that try to prune the most repetitive and sensational stories off the front page. Otherwise there would be a lot more repetition and sensationalism on the fp, which is the opposite of what HN is for (see explanations via links below if curious).

The downside is that we have to manually override the penalties in the case of a genuinely important story, which this obviously is. Fortunately that doesn't happen too often, plus the system is self-correcting: if a story is really important, people will bring it to our attention (thanks, tkgally!)

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