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Africa is building a Great Green Wall to prevent expansion of the Sahara

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Re: Africa is building a Great Green Wall to prevent expansion of the Sahara

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Fascinating video, but still it worries me how sustainable this is. This isn't a "rewilding" process - there is a LOT of manual human labor going into supporting very low yield agriculture. It seems like this idea relies on a long term low wage workforce willing to live on subsistence agriculture.

#TeamTrees: Africa Edition. Sustainable isn't concerned when emotional, idealistic hype push math, reality, and science aside. Fix the climate first with extreme net negative carbon capture and sequestration. Then we can fix the soil with large herds of herbivores stomping grassland and improving fertility.

Re: Africa is building a Great Green Wall to prevent expansion of the Sahara

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Side effect of this in the long term if it is successful is that there should be fewer hurricanes on the Atlantic. (Hurricanes are believed to caused by dust blowing off the west coast of the Sahara)

Magical thinking. It ain't gonna happen.

Re: Africa is building a Great Green Wall to prevent expansion of the Sahara

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I abhor these projects, because they are seasonal- as in dependent on outside funds and thus hyper-fragile. Also usually propped up by colonizers, to detract from some ressource extraction destruction. Same with wildlife preserves. One bad coup with corrupt politicians, one recession in the west - and its all gone, poached and ruins. Its worthless feel good photo OP, monetary potemkin zoos and forrests, providing the…

You didn't watch the video, clearly. They're incredibly simple projects that help permanently convert land from desert to arable. They're not dependent upon the outside for anything except directions, as the only tools needed are what the people already have, a pickaxe and shovel. Once started it can continue on with nothing but locals who want to take more land back from the desert. Nomads, landmines, buzzwords, you…

Don't look at the now, the moment, look at the long run. If they had missionaried for a religion that creates a reverance to natures creation and destruction for self-gain as a colonial, anti-god ideology, that would create longterm prospects for this to survive. If they had planted plants poisonous to goats and sheep, this could have endured longer. If they made this sort of work a yearly festival. That would have done more then a incentive driven strawfire.

Re: Africa is building a Great Green Wall to prevent expansion of the Sahara

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You didn't watch the video, clearly. They're incredibly simple projects that help permanently convert land from desert to arable. They're not dependent upon the outside for anything except directions, as the only tools needed are what the people already have, a pickaxe and shovel. Once started it can continue on with nothing but locals who want to take more land back from the desert. Nomads, landmines, buzzwords, you…

Don't look at the now, the moment, look at the long run. If they had missionaried for a religion that creates a reverance to natures creation and destruction for self-gain as a colonial, anti-god ideology, that would create longterm prospects for this to survive. If they had planted plants poisonous to goats and sheep, this could have endured longer. If they made this sort of work a yearly festival. That would have d…

Please don't pretend religion has any answers to any real world problems, it just causes problems.
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