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Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by blueflow »

tiznow wrote: post #56

The outcry on this issue has caused me to believe American society is too far divided. Full disclosure, I'm not white. But across a few social media/discussion platforms I more or less saw the same people who cry out about AI daily turn this issue into a tee to sledge "fragile white people" and "techbros". Meanwhile, the aforementioned groups correctly pointed out that Gemini's image generation takes its cues from an…

> Full disclosure, I'm not white

Thinking that your skin color somehow influences the validity of your argument is big part of the problem.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by somnic »

timeon wrote: post #50
msp26 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want image generators to generate what I ask them and not alter my query into something else. It's deeply shameful that billions of dollars and the hard work of incredibly smart people is mangled for a 'feature' that most end users don't even want and can't turn off. This is not a one off, it keeps happening with generative AI all the time. Silent prompt injections are visible for now with jailbreaks but who knows…

This sounds bit entitled. It is just service of private company.

If it's not going to give you what it's promising, which is generating images based on the prompts you provide it, it's a poor service. I think it might make more sense to try determine whether it's appropriate or not to inject ethnic or gender diversity into the prompt, rather than doing so without regard for context. I'm not categorically opposed to compensating for biases in the training data, but this was done very clumsily at best.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by oplaadpunt »

troupo wrote: post #53
sycamoretrees wrote: post #22

why are we using image generators to represent actual history? If we want accuracy surely we can use actual documents that are not imagined by a bunch of code. If you want to write fanfic or whatever then just adjust the prompt

Ah. So we can trust AI to answer truthfully about history (and other issues), but we can't expect it to generate images for that same history, got it. Any other specific things we should not expect from AI or shouldn't ask AI to do?

No, I don't think you can trust AI to answer correctly, ever. I've seen it confidently hallucinate, so I would always check what it says against other, more static, sources. The same if I'm reading from an author who includes a lot of mistakes in his books: I might still find them interesting and usefull, but I will want to double-check the key facts before I quote them to others.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by tiznow »

blueflow wrote: post #71
tiznow wrote: post #56

The outcry on this issue has caused me to believe American society is too far divided. Full disclosure, I'm not white. But across a few social media/discussion platforms I more or less saw the same people who cry out about AI daily turn this issue into a tee to sledge "fragile white people" and "techbros". Meanwhile, the aforementioned groups correctly pointed out that Gemini's image generation takes its cues from an…

> Full disclosure, I'm not white Thinking that your skin color somehow influences the validity of your argument is big part of the problem.

Probably. I honestly wasn't thinking about it that intently, I just wanted it to be clear I'm not feeling "left out" by Gemini refusing to generate images that might look like me.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by sconely »

tiznow wrote: post #56

The outcry on this issue has caused me to believe American society is too far divided. Full disclosure, I'm not white. But across a few social media/discussion platforms I more or less saw the same people who cry out about AI daily turn this issue into a tee to sledge "fragile white people" and "techbros". Meanwhile, the aforementioned groups correctly pointed out that Gemini's image generation takes its cues from an…

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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by Astraco »

sycamoretrees wrote: post #22

why are we using image generators to represent actual history? If we want accuracy surely we can use actual documents that are not imagined by a bunch of code. If you want to write fanfic or whatever then just adjust the prompt

The problem is more that it refuses to make images of white people than the accuracy of the historical ones.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by [deleted] »

_bohm wrote: post #57
troupo wrote: post #45

It's hardly "politically sensitive" to be disappointed by this behaviour: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39465554 "Asked specifically to generate images of people of various ethnic groups, it would happily do it except in the case of white people, in which it would flatly refuse."

It’s being politically sensitive to assert that this was obviously the intent of Google and that it demonstrates that they’re wholly consumed by the woke mind virus, or whatever, as many commenters have done. The sensible alternative explanation is that this issue is an overcorrection made in an attempt to address well-documented biases these models have when not fine tuned.

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