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Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by nabogh »

samatman wrote: post #64
nabogh wrote: post #34

I cancelled my Kagi subscription because it's a little too expensive for me in the unlimited search tier. And I search too much for the limited search tier. I can't help but wonder if my money was being spent on pet projects like this instead of improving/maintaining the search.

They don't spend your money, fella. They spend their money, some of which you paid them in exchange for services. Which you've stopped doing.

Of course I understand that it's not my money. Weirdly hostile comment.

I'm just expressing that the value wasn't quite there for myself. And these projects kept coming out so I wondered if they were the reason for the higher prices.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by freedomben »

lutoma wrote: post #66
sedatk wrote: post #14

I've been a paying Kagi user for a few months now. The only thing that made me miss Google results was immediate answers: the answers that are extracted from a prominent web page and shown directly, so you don't have to click the link. Actually, Kagi has some of that for certain queries, but it's not as extensive as Google's. So, contrary to the most of the comments here, I support their AI endeavors for the sake of…

One thing I miss from Google is a reliable built-in calculator. I know I could just use some other calculator app but the habit of just typing stuff into my address bar is hard to shake. Kagi also has a calculator, but for a lot of queries it gives questionable results, for example for `210/8` it returns `105/4`. Technically correct, sure, but almost never what I want.

FWIW I think this has improved radically in the past few weeks thanks to their integration with Wolfram. I haven't tried it yet though but was pleased to see that in the changelog

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by lurking_swe »

lauriewired wrote: post #67

Any chance you'd consider making a version of this as a browser extension for paid subscribers? What I really want is this functionality on unsupported websites/documentation. It would be killer to "ask" kagi a fact about the article or docs I'm already reading, even if it only traverses/parses the single page.

i think this would do what you want: https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html

now just need to build an extension :)

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by solardev »

freediver wrote: post #61
kazinator wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi is Japanese for key, right? We search with a search key. If I'm getting it right. Do you know that "sidekick" is aibó in Japanese (相棒)? Notice the "AI" in it?

Didn't know that and thanks for giving us the idea. Aibó sounds much better than Sidekick, we may need to rename :)

Isn't that already the name of Sony's robot dog?

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by ipaddr »

kelvie wrote: post #6

Disclaimer: Happy paid kagi user for over a year now. Why would they offer this for free for small websites? This isn't some VC-backed company getting ready to data-mine us and collect users for enshittification purposes, and in general, Kagi is the site people recommend when they say "if you're not the customer, you're the product".

Because their main business is taking content ranking it and charging you for it. This allows them to discover sites cheaper in a more targeted way. It increases awareness of kagi. It's a win/win idea.

Don't mistake Kagi for something it's not. You are still the product. All of your data is feed into the system (what you search for, what you rank, what you filter etc) and used to sell others.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by Repulsion9513 »

hackeruse wrote: post #63
freediver wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a great question. Well we first have to ask what would be the purpose of someone going through the trouble to create such (LLM generated) spammy SEO content? The answer (for the majority of web at least now) is to monetize it with ads/affiliate links. If that is the case then the answer is easy as we already penalize sites with ads/trackers on them for our general web search, and completely boot them out of o…

This is a naive take. SEO schemes are attractive for companies that sell products themselves (e.g. try searching anything related to ETL tools). The content itself is the ad and you won’t find any ad serving scripts or affiliate links in there. (Source: have created such schemes, although would generally not recommend them to my customers nowadays)

They want to index companies that sell products. I don't see a big problem here if a company that sells a product I'm searching for, who happens to also have low-quality SEO content, shows up in that search.

In fact, I would rather they not get penalized for it, since low-quality SEO content is a good way to show up in certain other search engines (Google), and every business wants to show up in Google, making that content quite common even from reputable businesses making a quality product.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by ashenke »

almyk wrote: post #42
al_borland wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been really liking the quick answers[1] that Kagi added. The doc gives some info as to what triggers it so it seems less random. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/quick-answer.html

Thanks for linking to the docs. I really like this feature, but as you said, it felt like it showed up at random

Since last week, it will trigger whenever your search query ends with a ? or starts with How or Why or other interrogative words https://kagi.com/changelog#3179

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by Repulsion9513 »

freediver wrote: post #12

Kagi founder here. This is very early (alpha) concept built by a single Kagi Labs developer in a few weeks. The proper infrastruture and product is not built yet. We are launching a prototype to get feedback and gauge demand. Why does this exist? It would be an efficient way for us to build and expand our own index. Assuming users of this would be Kagi users, we would expand our index by tens of thousands of high qua…

Ah yes, "The 16 Companies" - except it's actually five hundred...

Seems like the problem in [2] is a few entities controlling the majority of spaces other than search, to me. Shame we don't have any real laws against anti-competitive behavior (just the way YC likes it).

inb4 flagged

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by mayneack »

samatman wrote: post #62
mayneack wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, interesting. I was actually wondering what had changed. That wolfram integration needs some work. Right now it's consistently just simplifying fractions. I keep having to "!g" in brave to get google to do simple math for me. https://i.imgur.com/ghmUcAh.png

That's.... good, though? What happens if you ask for 23000.0/10500?

It's not wrong, I suppose, but a break from the behavior I've learned for this sort of instant answer across google, ddg, and kagi as long as I can remember.

I can't actually think of a situation where I want to simplify a fraction like that.

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