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Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by e12e »

pmontra wrote: post #40
ecmascript wrote: post #2

Not really related to their GPU offering but Hetzner is such a great company. I have a dedicated server I rented where I host all of my side projects. For the same price as one shitty VPS I get 8 cores, 64GB ram and a disk of 240GB or something like that. Just incredible, response times are incredibly low and there is no cap on data. The few times I have contacted support they've been great. The only times I have exp…

Which server do you have on Hetzner that I missed? Dedicated servers start at 37.30 Euro per month now there, the AX-41 couch is pretty good and has no setup fee. On the other side I'm paying OVH about 12 Euro per month for two small VPSes and they are even too much for me, performance wise.

Have a look at the server auction? Tbh, I would limit my dedicated server rentals to server/ddr ram setups (which is a little more expensive).

But if you just need some cpu (to transcode some video, crack some passwords, what-have-you, run a game/videochat server) - consumer cpu models give you unmetered gigabit or 30tb/month 10gbps. So can definitely be worth it vs a VPS.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by e12e »

gokhan wrote: post #9
ecmascript wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The setup fee is a one-time fee though, so if you have a server for many years that won't hurt so much. I pay around €30/month for the server I am renting but I know it will last a long time even if I get spikes on any on my many projects. For a 8 core, 16GB droplet/vps at DigitalOcean it will cost you ~$96/month. The performance is better at Hetzner for about 1/3 the cost.

Yes. I'm talking about occasional needs for a small server for a month or two.

Use the server auction? No setup fee then.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by Propelloni »

formerly_proven wrote: post #56
singhrac wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the simplest is that data center energy pricing is just simply different from residential energy, because they often get wholesale (plus small markup) rather than residential rates.

The majority of residential rates (about 40 ct/kWh) are taxes and levies, not the actual price of the electricity. That's why industrial rates can be less than half of residential rates.

You need to compare prices again. Residential electricity costs are significantly below your quoted rate for quite some time now. I've just checked and the lowest rate I saw was 21 ct/kWh. Most vendors are somewhere in the 25 to 30 ct/kWh bracket.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by k8sToGo »

brudgers wrote: post #50
aborsy wrote: post #23

The price of a brand new Dell precision PC with a core i9 13900 CPU (24 cores), 64 GB RAM and 2X2TB NVMe is probably around 2.5k$. It costs tens of Euros per month in electricity to run this PC. The hardware is good to go for some 3 years, before running into various issues (newer CPUs becoming much more power efficient, firmware updates getting less and less frequent etc). Consider also the cost of components failur…

Doesn’t this imply that it’s better to rent than to buy? TANSTAAFL 1. Physical hardware is a useful abstraction. 2. At the end of a three year cycle, you can sell something you own. (This has associated costs of course). 3. Rents can go up. Terms and Conditions can change. Credit cards can expire or be cancelled. In other words, renting introduces a significant dependency. 4. You are your own most important customer.…

You forgot that Hetzner also has spare parts.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by dist-epoch »

wongarsu wrote: post #42
aborsy wrote: post #23

The price of a brand new Dell precision PC with a core i9 13900 CPU (24 cores), 64 GB RAM and 2X2TB NVMe is probably around 2.5k$. It costs tens of Euros per month in electricity to run this PC. The hardware is good to go for some 3 years, before running into various issues (newer CPUs becoming much more power efficient, firmware updates getting less and less frequent etc). Consider also the cost of components failur…

Hetzner is not only able to get better volume discounts, they also spend a lot of engineering time bringing down costs, and have decades of experience doing so. They offer some Dell Servers for those that really want them, but most of their servers have a custom mix of consumer hardware, server hardware and in-house hardware (for example they use their own racking system), optimized to minimize lifetime cost in a dat…

Hetzner is buying ASUS consumer AM5 motherboards, but with the whole CPU + memory block rotated so that the memory sticks are horizontal instead of vertical for better airflow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2P8mjWRqpk

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by cobertos »

wongarsu wrote: post #42
aborsy wrote: post #23

The price of a brand new Dell precision PC with a core i9 13900 CPU (24 cores), 64 GB RAM and 2X2TB NVMe is probably around 2.5k$. It costs tens of Euros per month in electricity to run this PC. The hardware is good to go for some 3 years, before running into various issues (newer CPUs becoming much more power efficient, firmware updates getting less and less frequent etc). Consider also the cost of components failur…

Hetzner is not only able to get better volume discounts, they also spend a lot of engineering time bringing down costs, and have decades of experience doing so. They offer some Dell Servers for those that really want them, but most of their servers have a custom mix of consumer hardware, server hardware and in-house hardware (for example they use their own racking system), optimized to minimize lifetime cost in a dat…

Do you have more details on their own racking system? I couldn't find anything on this.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by albert180 »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #55
Scotrix wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have been in deep contact with data centre and rental server offerings in the past, there is a crazy large amount of fraud going on, e.g. 2 hours for free means 2 hours free resource to DDOS.

I don't want it free. I want to put $2 on the account. Try the server and decide after using the server.

And they want a customer who will rent the dedicated box for a long time and not wipe it after every 2$/2h Trialcustomer

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by latchkey »

pmontra wrote: post #63
bbatsell wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do. But since most miners would just ignore the license, they implemented LHR (low hashrate) beginning on GeForce 3000-series that detects the types of ops used for mining and artificially slows the GPU to about 25% of its actual speed.

They did that but with mixed success. One random link from a Google search: https://old.reddit.com/r/EtherMining/comments/t4mwxj/workaro...

Their source code got leaked and it was reverse engineered to defeat it. That said, it was all kind of late in the game, GPU mining died not too long afterwards.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by lelandbatey »

Propelloni wrote: post #73
formerly_proven wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of residential rates (about 40 ct/kWh) are taxes and levies, not the actual price of the electricity. That's why industrial rates can be less than half of residential rates.

You need to compare prices again. Residential electricity costs are significantly below your quoted rate for quite some time now. I've just checked and the lowest rate I saw was 21 ct/kWh. Most vendors are somewhere in the 25 to 30 ct/kWh bracket.

Average USA energy prices are (according the Bureau of Labor Statistics) ~$0.18/kWh at the moment, with some folks at $0.40+ (San Francisco, San Diego, Hawaii) while others are as low as $0.13/kWh (Seattle, Saint Lewis)

https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices...

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by latchkey »

Aerroon wrote: post #52
petercooper wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NVIDIA's licensing. Note that the 3060/3070 is a "GeForce" whereas a 4000 is a "Quadro". Then look at the GeForce driver EULA: https://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownloads/licence.php?l... > No Datacenter Deployment. The SOFTWARE is not licensed for datacenter deployment, except that blockchain processing in a datacenter is permitted. I could never figure out why they allowed blockchain processing, given how wastef…

This seems insane to me. It makes me even more confused that AMD/Intel aren't trying their hardest to go after AI compute. Nvidia is basically leaving the door open. But I suppose that the idea could be to protect their gaming market in a way. If datacenters were buying up gaming GPUs then that could cause shortages for regular customers.

AMD is trying their hardest.
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