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Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

pretext-1 wrote: post #32
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #28

What is really fun about working with Apple is their Appstore connect platform is buggy & slow as hell. Few times I couldn't submit an app because of it. Every time I submit a bug, there first reaction is try it on safari; most of time it was server issues so it didn't resolve it. But sometimes it actually did where I didnt expect it.

They have no reason to improve it as there is no alternative (yet).

Well there is enough reasons: giving back to developers, because it's the right thing to do, saving support costs, etc. Just in their DNA not to care about developers. However even from such a monopoly position it would benefit them in the long run.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by rickdeckard »

mobilemidget wrote: post #57
Keyframe wrote: post #43

I have an ipad through which I subscribed for Apple arcade. I don't use it / play at all on it and there was recently an email that price is going up. Sure, I'll just cancel subscription I said. I don't have my ipad on me, nor any other apple device (I don't use them anymore), nor windows. I have linux machines and android phone. Ok, so how do I cancel subscription? icloud login? no. subscription place of sorts? it w…

So when you sign up for Apple Arcade, which strangely you dont use? Why sign up for it? But then it's okay that you need to have your iPad to signup, but when you want to cancel it is strange that you need your iPad. I understand it would be nice if you can login to a website and cancel, but reads as if you make your mistake of not taken your iPad, or cancelling in time a fault of others.

I agree, at the core it was obviously his fault because he signed up for an online subscription-service and now expects it to be somehow maintained online /s

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by thimp »

itsoktocry wrote: post #61
thimp wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actually a big problem on Android. My ex father-in-law literally had his bank account ripped off (£18000) from rogue app installed from outside the app store. And Google's stewardship of the play store is terrible. Note I'm mostly an Android user.

> This is actually a big problem on Android. The fact that you have an anecdote does not make it a "big problem". If you're side loading apps and entering banking credentials into them, that's a human problem, not a tech problem.

ALL problems are human problems. Don't try and write this off with that one.

I can go all day on these. Second one ... corp Android phone. App update ships own browser engine to display about box. Flaw in about box implementation allows user to hit Google. End user uses about box to exfiltrate data from device.

Not possible on iOS. Same browser engine and controls.

As mentioned I'm an Android user, just a better human than most when it comes to using the devices.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by mass_and_energy »

zer00eyz wrote: post #16
everydaypanos wrote: post #8

Why Safari can’t just launch from a Home Screen bookmark even if the user has chosen another “default browser”? PWAs are already a separate “island” of storage and share nothing with Safari App… Microsoft does it all the time with Edge on Windows.

>> Microsoft does it all the time with Edge on Windows. Edge on windows, the same edge on windows that got caught slurping up chrome tabs recently? Browsers are now the same size code base wise, as operating systems. They are in fact tiny OS's with permissions models and execution environments. I think the author makes the point that safari made a lot of progress, they paid for a lot of work, that they are throwing a…

I feel like the reason most users don't care if they lose access to PWAs is because they haven't had much expose to them. Apple would prefer people continue to use stuff from their app store instead of PWAs and so they're squashing our opportunity to get to know and like them. It's yet another attempt to lock us into their app store

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by everydaypanos »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #50
everydaypanos wrote: post #8

Why Safari can’t just launch from a Home Screen bookmark even if the user has chosen another “default browser”? PWAs are already a separate “island” of storage and share nothing with Safari App… Microsoft does it all the time with Edge on Windows.

> Why Safari can’t just launch from a Home Screen bookmark even if the user has chosen another “default browser”? IIRC this is exactly what it does after the change. It now just launches the bookmark in a normal browser instead of a browser with the UI hidden.

By Safari, I meant the engine, not the app.

Are there any people who actually prefer no PWAs at all over Safari-engine PWAs?

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by beardyw »

everydaypanos wrote: post #8

Why Safari can’t just launch from a Home Screen bookmark even if the user has chosen another “default browser”? PWAs are already a separate “island” of storage and share nothing with Safari App… Microsoft does it all the time with Edge on Windows.

No. A PWA has exactly the same storage access, code etc as a normal web page. A PWA is set apart by having a manifest, which defines how it should act as an app. It has certain extra capabilities like accepting shares and so on, but it is not radically different from a web page.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by randcraw »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #48
Keyframe wrote: post #43

I have an ipad through which I subscribed for Apple arcade. I don't use it / play at all on it and there was recently an email that price is going up. Sure, I'll just cancel subscription I said. I don't have my ipad on me, nor any other apple device (I don't use them anymore), nor windows. I have linux machines and android phone. Ok, so how do I cancel subscription? icloud login? no. subscription place of sorts? it w…

Apple always assume that you use their devices as primaries. It can be very annoying. When I wanted to get my wife a replacement MB, I ended up checking out as a guest as they insisted on sending my 2FA code to my iPad (which mostly just annoyed my toddler).

No. The user base for Apple Music on Windows is huge. Apple devices are secondary. Using the AM app is primary, once you've been successfully sucked into the Apple ecosystem, Borg-like.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by worksonmine »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #48
Keyframe wrote: post #43

I have an ipad through which I subscribed for Apple arcade. I don't use it / play at all on it and there was recently an email that price is going up. Sure, I'll just cancel subscription I said. I don't have my ipad on me, nor any other apple device (I don't use them anymore), nor windows. I have linux machines and android phone. Ok, so how do I cancel subscription? icloud login? no. subscription place of sorts? it w…

Apple always assume that you use their devices as primaries. It can be very annoying. When I wanted to get my wife a replacement MB, I ended up checking out as a guest as they insisted on sending my 2FA code to my iPad (which mostly just annoyed my toddler).

> Apple always assume that you use their devices as primaries

Assumes or tries very hard to make the alternative as difficult as possible? From a company that prides itself in improving and simplifying UX the dark patterns aren't mistakes.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by Fischgericht »

thimp wrote: post #36
pretext-1 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somehow this is not a problem on Android even though they have sideloading and alternative app stores even beyond what Apple is going to allow. (Apple still requires apps to go though a review process, even if distributed outside of the App Store, and will enforce this using digital signatures.)

This is actually a big problem on Android. My ex father-in-law literally had his bank account ripped off (£18000) from rogue app installed from outside the app store. And Google's stewardship of the play store is terrible. Note I'm mostly an Android user.

That story sounds rather fishy. So your father has found the hidden option to enable developer mode which allows APKs to be sideloaded, and then went to some website to download and install an APK?

By the way: According to Kasparsky [1] last year there have been 600 Million downloads of malware that was installed from Google play store, without any sideloading or alternative App stores involved.

And of course the Apple App store also is full of malware and shady stuff, think of all the chinese IoT apps that are phoning home etc.

[1] https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/malware-in-google-play-2023/4...

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by cageface »

sgt wrote: post #54

> I’m going to get a lot of emails from confused users wondering why their app is broken, now opening in a regular browser window. Newsflash incoming for you.. Just about none of your users will (1) care (2) used the "PWA" in the first place. It's really not that common to add apps to the home screen. Among very technical users, it's a fair bit more common though.

From the article:

There is no native app for The Session, but you can install it on your phone nonetheless. Lots of people have done that. After a while they forget that they didn’t install it from an app store: it behaves just like any other app on their homescreen.

Maybe you don't believe this but it was addressed.

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