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Re: Reddit signs $60M content licensing deal with AI company

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Post by andrewinardeer »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #20
leobg wrote: post #17

How can they license something that they didn’t author? Yes, they have TOS. But training generative AI wasn’t something that existed when ~99% of Reddit’s content was created, hence users could not possibly have consented to it. Besides, at least in Germany, TOS cannot contain regulations that are “surprising” or “unexpected”. Using my content to serve ads is one thing I might expect. But licensing it out for a fee t…

Because it is reddit, one of the most vile companies on the planet.

Says the guy with the Reddit meme username on Hacker News.

Re: Reddit signs $60M content licensing deal with AI company

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Post by api_or_ipa »

bewaretheirs wrote: post #47
mtillman wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s an American company. Bullets didn’t exist when the 2nd amendment was created but they’re still protected as arms. Also, basic internet concept, if you do something on someone else’s property, it’s theirs. This site is also a source of training material for ML and has been for a very long time.

> Bullets didn’t exist when the 2nd amendment was created Uh, what? Wikipedia dates the first bullet to the 13th century: > Fire lance barrels made of metal appeared by 1276.[30] Earlier in 1259 a pellet wad that filled the barrel was recorded to have been used as a fire lance projectile, making it the first recorded bullet in history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun#Transition_to_true_guns

I think they’re referring to modern cartridge bullets, as opposed to little lead balls stored separately from the powder and whatever else is rammed down the barrel in preparation for the next short.

Indeed the first integrated cartridges were developed around 1808 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartridge_(firearms)

Re: Reddit signs $60M content licensing deal with AI company

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Post by bewaretheirs »

api_or_ipa wrote: post #72
bewaretheirs wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bullets didn’t exist when the 2nd amendment was created Uh, what? Wikipedia dates the first bullet to the 13th century: > Fire lance barrels made of metal appeared by 1276.[30] Earlier in 1259 a pellet wad that filled the barrel was recorded to have been used as a fire lance projectile, making it the first recorded bullet in history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun#Transition_to_true_guns

I think they’re referring to modern cartridge bullets, as opposed to little lead balls stored separately from the powder and whatever else is rammed down the barrel in preparation for the next short. Indeed the first integrated cartridges were developed around 1808 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartridge_(firearms)

Paper cartridges packaging one projectile with one shot's worth of powder were in widespread use in the 16h century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_cartridge

Re: Reddit signs $60M content licensing deal with AI company

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Post by ametrau »

bewaretheirs wrote: post #73
api_or_ipa wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they’re referring to modern cartridge bullets, as opposed to little lead balls stored separately from the powder and whatever else is rammed down the barrel in preparation for the next short. Indeed the first integrated cartridges were developed around 1808 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartridge_(firearms)

Paper cartridges packaging one projectile with one shot's worth of powder were in widespread use in the 16h century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_cartridge

Nah nah, because, um, the foundin fathers were like dumb and that and couldn’t um, HIGH CAPACITY

Re: Reddit signs $60M content licensing deal with AI company

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Post by ametrau »

jtriangle wrote: post #41
cobertos wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deleted all the content on my main account. Most of it wasn't useful, but a couple of posts and threads ranked well on Google and I like to think that hurts the site just a little bit.

I used a rust port of shreddit to delete all my posts across all my accounts, such that when logged in, there are no posts on my profile, however, I spent about a month on and off googling my username and finding posts that didn't stay deleted but wouldn't show up on my profile. So I'd guess that reddit somehow restored some number of posts, and it seems to occasionally continue to do so. In terms of hurting the site…

The key thing is not to delete all your posts but overwrite a couple of times (to bust their cache). And then leave the account active with no real posts. There’s a few projects that will do this.

Re: Reddit signs $60M content licensing deal with AI company

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Post by ametrau »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #38

> worth $60 million on an annualized basis Reddit is pulling out all the stops for their upcoming IPO and it still amounts to nearly nothing. Bringing back r/place to juice user count, killing the API, destroying their mobile site, and that's just the start. That's why they are only planning a "very small float", there's simply no interest. It seems even at just $5 billion, the valuation is too rich.

Killing the api was a massive mistake. They should have worked with appolo et al to broker a deal. They had a the best of both worlds, other people tackling the app development for them and they just needed to take a reasonable rent.

Re: Reddit signs $60M content licensing deal with AI company

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Post by [deleted] »

antisthenes wrote: post #68
CamelCaseName wrote: post #38

> worth $60 million on an annualized basis Reddit is pulling out all the stops for their upcoming IPO and it still amounts to nearly nothing. Bringing back r/place to juice user count, killing the API, destroying their mobile site, and that's just the start. That's why they are only planning a "very small float", there's simply no interest. It seems even at just $5 billion, the valuation is too rich.

I'm actually curious if Reddit's going to be the first successful example of monetizing what is essentially a community into an IPO fast enough before normies get on it and start flooding it with their low-effort takes and celebrity gossip drivel. I know this is possible to do by other communities like paid forums (SomethingAwful), or grow into an adjacent e-commerce supported community (e.g. bodybuilding forums), bu…

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Re: Reddit signs $60M content licensing deal with AI company

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Post by ySteeK »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #58
leobg wrote: post #17

How can they license something that they didn’t author? Yes, they have TOS. But training generative AI wasn’t something that existed when ~99% of Reddit’s content was created, hence users could not possibly have consented to it. Besides, at least in Germany, TOS cannot contain regulations that are “surprising” or “unexpected”. Using my content to serve ads is one thing I might expect. But licensing it out for a fee t…

> When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now kn…

At least in Germany, such agreements are afaik invalid and without a severability clause, possibly all others too. Simply because something like copyright cannot be assigned in Germany. Secondly, there are ways to use Reddit without ever having agreed to the ToS.

Re: Reddit signs $60M content licensing deal with AI company

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Post by rglullis »

chollida1 wrote: post #29
blindriver wrote: post #23

This is exactly my point for many years now. Reddit exists because of the free work of the various subreddit communities and their moderators. And in return they get nothing. But the company, the investors and employees will all become rich off of it. It’s weird how no one cares that Reddit isn’t trickling down anything to the people that make the site a success.

Every year, I pay to play hockey. I pay for new equipment, jerseys, referees and ice time. And the arena gets paid by selling food to people who come to my games, sell advertising on the boards, beer to fans. What do I get and why is none of this money trickling down to me? Clearly I get the enjoyment of being Canadian and playing hockey. Reditors are no different. None of them were tricked, they participate on the s…

> If you think its weird that a for profit company is making money and no one is complaining, its because everyone went into the deal knowing exactly what's what. No one was tricked or deceived.

The deal never included that they would appropriating the community content and selling it as their own, but that could try to make money from user-generated content, and in turn they would keep it as open as possible: an easy to use API, third-party clients, RSS feeds for every subreddit and even posts and comments, etc.

They changed the deal. People are right to be upset with the new terms.

Re: Reddit signs $60M content licensing deal with AI company

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Post by [deleted] »

ySteeK wrote: post #78
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now kn…

At least in Germany, such agreements are afaik invalid and without a severability clause, possibly all others too. Simply because something like copyright cannot be assigned in Germany. Secondly, there are ways to use Reddit without ever having agreed to the ToS.

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