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Re: Fitness trackers find new symptom of depression: body temperature

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Post by dronienothong »

kaba0 wrote: post #61
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know there's so much talk on many physical symptoms being "psychogenic" or whatever. Even psychologists or general medical professionals will claim that whatever symptoms you are feeling are probably psychogenic. It makes me wonder if many things might be the other way around. That there's clear physical reasons for many mental or psychological problems. It's just always easier to claim something is psychogenic w…

It doesn’t mean that they are imagining it. Why is it hard to see that the organ that controls the whole body has a say into pain/inflammation, and all that? It can send my heart rate to the sky before a presentation, make my stomach ready for digestion on the sight of a billboard, etc. I don’t know, the reverse that mental diseases don’t cause physical symptoms seems harder to believe. It all just shows that we don’…

You are mistaking Stress perhaps with depression. It is 99% more likely that a physical problem is the root problem and that is causing the depression. Thats what depression is. Something is wrong with your body and your brain is sad about it. You dont just get depressed for no reason and then your body breaks for no reason from that depression.

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Post by antoniojtorres »

ex3ndr wrote: post #56

I am wondering if you can just cool down your body to fix it. I had panic attacks in the past and now from time to time i am experience mild anxiety. Eventually i learned that hot shower or hot bed (i have 8sleep) actually increases anxiety, making my bed colder calms anxiety. This makes sense since anxiety and many other disorders are just overloading the body and cooling down stops the chemical processes that cause…

Today I learned about the diving reflex and why it’s helpful to dunk your face in cold water. It can help with anxiety according to my therapist.

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asimovfan wrote: post #69
aszantu wrote: post #58

maybe weird... I'm suffering from migraine sometimes, my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response, still looking for a cause/solution. I'm also a depression sufferer, and the days after seem to be more anxious. Tried to go to the sauna with the symtoms, but couldn't handle more than 20 minutes last time. Felt better right after,…

I am not a doctor but i think 33 degrees celcius means you need to go to the ER.. or that your measurent device is off. I cannot see doctors letting you leave the hospital like that

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> my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response

I read that as they measured the temperature of their face. Then, 33°C isn’t outside normal range.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_temperature: “Normal human skin temperature on the trunk of the body varies between 33.5 and 36.9 °C (92.3 and 98.4 °F), though the skin's temperature is lower over protruding parts, like the nose, and higher over muscles and active organs.”

That page also says “Recording skin temperature presents extensive difficulties”, so that 33°C may not be very accurate.

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Post by reify »

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-51567-w#Sec1

A massive document saying nothing of use.

Amongst others; Oura Health Oy (#134650) also provided funding for this work.

For these daily self-reported temperature assessments, participants used their own thermometers (which were not provided by the study, and which may have been of any brand), and we did not ask participants to report the type of thermometer used or the method of body temperature assessment. Not good research criteria!

The PROMIS T-scores: They appear to have an 8 question questionaire for every illness on the planet.

https://www.healthmeasures.net/score-and-interpret/interpret...

Can anyone really do a diagnostic test with just 8 questions and conclude that someone has a mental illness. Absolutely not! Yet they have us believe that you can.

Psychiatrists have been using short questionaires for years to assess anxiety and depression and most forms of mental illness. None of them work or are accurate.

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Post by cperciva »

aszantu wrote: post #58

maybe weird... I'm suffering from migraine sometimes, my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response, still looking for a cause/solution. I'm also a depression sufferer, and the days after seem to be more anxious. Tried to go to the sauna with the symtoms, but couldn't handle more than 20 minutes last time. Felt better right after,…

40 year old female with depression and hypothermia screams Hashimoto's disease to me. Have you had your TSH checked?

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Post by mcmcmc »

reify wrote: post #74

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-51567-w#Sec1 A massive document saying nothing of use. Amongst others; Oura Health Oy (#134650) also provided funding for this work. For these daily self-reported temperature assessments, participants used their own thermometers (which were not provided by the study, and which may have been of any brand), and we did not ask participants to report the type of thermometer used…

Nit: mental health surveys/assessments are a screening tool, not intended to be used on their own for a diagnosis. They work as they are intended to, identifying individuals who are at risk or displaying common symptoms so that mental health professionals can then proceed with further testing and discussion to make a diagnosis. They’re not always used correctly, but they are useful.

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Post by wiredfool »

aszantu wrote: post #58

maybe weird... I'm suffering from migraine sometimes, my face starts feeling cold, including teeth and hard palate. So I measured and it was 33 c°, told a few doctors and got no response, still looking for a cause/solution. I'm also a depression sufferer, and the days after seem to be more anxious. Tried to go to the sauna with the symtoms, but couldn't handle more than 20 minutes last time. Felt better right after,…

My wife has gone through perimenopause for a while now (ages really, probably O(15 years)), and the number of potential symptoms connected to it are immense, while the awareness from medical providers is pretty minimal. Mental issues, Food/blood sugar stuff, the well known hot flashes, cold flashes, the works.

What's worked for her is HRT, and more recently, intermittent fasting. (food between noon and 8pm only, but whatever in that time) It's really worth getting hormone levels checked and adjusted.

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Post by wiredfool »

kaycebasques wrote: post #19

First time hearing about Oura Ring. Looks cool! That price though... ouch.

They're pretty good, though battery life is an issue with some firmware revs. (n-2: bad, n-1: 100% better, current: iffy). So far my wife's ring has lasted well longer than my Apple Watch.

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Post by vjk800 »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #26
FraterSKM wrote: post #20

I feel like at some point we're gonna discover depression is basically some kind of inflammatory disease

You know there's so much talk on many physical symptoms being "psychogenic" or whatever. Even psychologists or general medical professionals will claim that whatever symptoms you are feeling are probably psychogenic. It makes me wonder if many things might be the other way around. That there's clear physical reasons for many mental or psychological problems. It's just always easier to claim something is psychogenic w…

I have a history of mental problems and I mostly attribute it to physical problems. At some point I realized that chronic pain prevented me from sleeping well and when I don't sleep well, I feel like crap. When this goes on for a long time, I don't even notice the link anymore since being in pain and sleeping bad just becomes the normal state of things.

I've been able to manage my pains by a combination of lots of aerobic exercising and yoga/stretching type workouts. I'm not in perfect condition yet, but things are certainly better.

I wonder if all or most of depression/anxiety on people is just some physical problem/pain preventing them from sleeping well and bad sleep causing them to feel like shit.

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Post by vjk800 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #66
NoPicklez wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very generalised take with a big assumption. I don't think wearing a smartwatch will immediately shed you weight. You actually need to actively put in the work both through exercise and a proper diet. A watch is just a tool that supports the rest of it. More people might be consuming diet beverages as well and yet weights might be going up, that may not necessarily be the failing of the diet beverage.

I think that at this point of the obesity epidemics, we should entertain the idea that there are non-behavioral factors in play as well. Not just "putting in the work", but a more complex metabolic picture. As we are talking about smartwatches, let me chime in with my personal, N == 1 observation. I bought a smartwatch on the day that Russia invaded Ukraine (the timing was an accident, though). So, two years by now.…

> * my knees have improved so much that I feel like being 20 again. I no longer remember which one gave me so much trouble that I almost ended up in surgery in 2017. They are both just fine.

I had shit knees when I was around 30. I started physiotherapy and going to the gym. This sort of worked a little bit, but what really eradicated all my knee problems was large volumes or running, jogging and walking. My plan was to start running, but since I couldn't really run properly for extended periods of time without pain, most of my "runs" were actually just fast walking. Now, about two years later, I can't really remember the last time I had problems with my knees.

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