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Tai chi reduces blood pressure better than aerobic exercise

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I think someone could make a fortune in SF if they opened a place that had both: Tai chi and Chai Tea.

Purists like me would object to Chai being referred to its redundant form Chai Tea :)

Chai (or a variation) is the name for tea in half of the world [1], so if you say "chai" you are just saying "tea", while if you say "Chai Tea", if I understand correctly, you are probably referring to a specific beverage [2]

[1] https://qz.com/1176962/map-how-the-word-tea-spread-over-land...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masala_chai

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In this case, I would argue that it does. "Sahara" means "desert", but "Sahara Desert" is still the proper name for that place. "Naan" means "bread", but it's also the name we use for the kind of bread originally made by the people who speak the language where "naan" means "bread". Likewise, "chai tea" is a perfectly fine name for tea made in the style of the people whose word for "tea" is "chai". Languages do this a…

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Re: Tai chi reduces blood pressure better than aerobic exercise

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Long ago, maybe before the consumer internet, I saw a video claiming to showcase people who studied tai chi as a fighting art instead of just exercise. It was a lot of being able to follow the other person's movements to the point that "Fighting a tai chi master is like wrestling with an empty jacket". There was also a demonstration where a master pushed a student's middle finger back using an open palm. No matter ho…

If you can find a competent instructor from a lineage that preserved the fighting applications of tai chi, you can see some pretty interesting grappling and joint-locking techniques. It's not all snake oil.

One example (Yang-style tai chi): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp2jWeaKrqI

Re: Tai chi reduces blood pressure better than aerobic exercise

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342 participants presumably of similar demographics, no mention of diet or previous health state, no mention of other cofactors Studies like this are just click-bait.

There's just this: "342 adults aged 18 to 65 years with prehypertension, defined as systolic blood pressure (SBP) of 120 to 139 mm Hg and/or diastolic BP (DBP) of 80 to 89 mm Hg"

But I agree; any other criteria that reduced the 1189 patients screened down to the final 342 is not mentioned.

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There doesn't really seem to be anything unique to single out tai chi in particular in this study. The benefits pointed out in the article --- that it's meditative, encourages stretching and relaxation, improves balance --- seem to also be associated with things like yoga, or just going through a general stretching and mobility routine. They idea that calming yourself (removing stress or just relaxing) will lower you…

I tried to learn some tai chi long ago and found that it is not possible to perform tai chi correctly if you are thinking about anything, including thinking about performing tai chi correctly. And "not thinking about anything" is exceptionally hard.

Well, it's surprisingly trivial for newborns!

More seriously, I can't think of a single reason as to why it could not be at least trained; there must be ways. Not that I disagree with you, far from it.

Re: Tai chi reduces blood pressure better than aerobic exercise

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Long ago, maybe before the consumer internet, I saw a video claiming to showcase people who studied tai chi as a fighting art instead of just exercise. It was a lot of being able to follow the other person's movements to the point that "Fighting a tai chi master is like wrestling with an empty jacket". There was also a demonstration where a master pushed a student's middle finger back using an open palm. No matter ho…

I took Tai Chi during college from a guy with a passion for it (his day job was as a sign painter and he was a pretty firm Christian), with no mystical overtones to his interest at all. The one thing he drove home, repeatedly, was that if you wanted to be prepared a case where you needed fight, there were self-defense classes available, and to study that. He'd even help you find one.

While some of the things he described about studying with masters had elements of the video you describe (if put less strongly), he also expressed that this was folks who had been studying for a long, long time, and moved on from the rote movements associated with Tai Chi to other aspects. He said he'd been studying awhile (at least ten years) and didn't think he could use it to defend himself.

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Recently I have been doing Rajio Taiso, a calisthenic exercises that have been popularized since 1928 in Japan. This exercise believed to have helped the Japanese people have a longer and healthy life. It is just three minutes and I must say, enjoyable and communal.

Re: Tai chi reduces blood pressure better than aerobic exercise

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There doesn't really seem to be anything unique to single out tai chi in particular in this study. The benefits pointed out in the article --- that it's meditative, encourages stretching and relaxation, improves balance --- seem to also be associated with things like yoga, or just going through a general stretching and mobility routine. They idea that calming yourself (removing stress or just relaxing) will lower you…

Tai chi has a particular way of moving and developing the body that is distinctively different from yoga. However, there is a wide range of knowledge, skill level and practice principles within the tai chi community as it is with yoga. For example, the way hatha yoga is practiced in America is typically widely different from more traditional hatha yoga.

Re: Tai chi reduces blood pressure better than aerobic exercise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t mean it’s correct!

In this case, I would argue that it does. "Sahara" means "desert", but "Sahara Desert" is still the proper name for that place. "Naan" means "bread", but it's also the name we use for the kind of bread originally made by the people who speak the language where "naan" means "bread". Likewise, "chai tea" is a perfectly fine name for tea made in the style of the people whose word for "tea" is "chai". Languages do this a…

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