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Juvenile great apes love to tease and annoy their elders, study finds

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Re: Juvenile great apes love to tease and annoy their elders, study finds

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Post by xyzzy123 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #55
beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #16

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I don't know the whole 25 thing seems to be just mainly be something like a meme. You go out and you can meet extremely personable, social, and polite, teens all the time. You can also find the grunters. Sometimes it's just personality. Sometimes it's dealing with puberty. Sometimes it's genuflecting against authority. As long as you support them, give them guidance in a respectful way, and involve yourself in their…

One essential - existential - skill that children learn is to please ADULTS (Authoritarian Domineering Unseeing Ludicrous Tedious Superhypocritals). Their actual survival (food, shelter, safety), their welfare, their happiness depends extremely on Adults. If you were in their shoes in regard to some authority - especially an authority that behaves as badly as Adults - you would learn too. They learn how to not upset…

Eldest or only children often prefer the company of adults over other children, 2nd and further or kids from bigger families tend to be more comfortable hanging out with other kids. I think it's largely practice / what they are accomodated to and it's pretty normal.

It's also "point of reference" - kids more isolated from other kids will latch onto adults as their "reference people" they compare themselves to and model behaviours from while kids more socialised with kids will reference more onto near peers.

Isolated kids are commonly more intellectually precocious but less directly practical and (naturally) tend to have a bit more trouble connecting with peers. It's not unusual.

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Post by ambyra »

bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #68
bfncieezo wrote: post #64

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are you seriously arguing that children are better off in front of a computer than playing sports with their friends?

Seriously maybe? What's so special about playing sports with friends? Why is that sooooo important? I never had an interest in sports, and so I made friends with other kids that had no interest in sports.

It’s good to expose kids to aggression, understand group behavior, working as a team, also good for physical/mental health. Learning a little aggression/to recognize aggression is good later in life. I don’t like the stereotype of the smart nerd being taken advantage of by the less smart bro he works for.

Re: Juvenile great apes love to tease and annoy their elders, study finds

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Post by wolverine876 »

bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #67
wolverine876 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One essential - existential - skill that children learn is to please ADULTS (Authoritarian Domineering Unseeing Ludicrous Tedious Superhypocritals). Their actual survival (food, shelter, safety), their welfare, their happiness depends extremely on Adults. If you were in their shoes in regard to some authority - especially an authority that behaves as badly as Adults - you would learn too. They learn how to not upset…

Sorry your experience with kids left you so jaded. Not all kids are like that.

You missed my point (or I'm missing yours) - I'm not jaded at all. Quite the opposite, I'm very aware, concerned, and active.

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Post by datameta »

imbnwa wrote: post #74
datameta wrote: post #46

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A human skin one-piece that looks suspiciously like my biologically given body.

The worst kind of body horror

Well, I could think of several, actually far too many more terrible body horror scenarios that will remain not communicated through my fingers applied to this BMI connected to the internet.

But, I meant that in the abstract sense of displaying a bent or filtered version of myself. Sometimes the ping-pong thoughts can't be allowed to all come out at once so my external presentation certainly fits some point in the range of my usual expressions, but may not totally accurately represent my internal state.

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Post by imbnwa »

smallerfish wrote: post #18

Seems like a good thread in which to recommend Chimp Empire on Netflix. It's beautifully shot, and quite dramatic. I wondered whether they had manufactured some of the storylines from the thousands of hours of footage, but according to a couple of interviews with uninvolved scientists that I read, it mostly checks out as an accurate portrayal.

The one adult male who takes care of his elderly mother was touching

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Post by stubish »

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #16
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #12

First, they annoy the elders. Then when they grow up to be teenagers, they live in a cave and communicate mostly through grunting. I am at this phase with my children and I make inhumane efforts not to react and let it flow. I hope that when their brain actually fires up when they are 25 or 30, they will be nice kids who realize what their parents when through to raise them. Please comment only to confirm this, I am…

I don't know the whole 25 thing seems to be just mainly be something like a meme. You go out and you can meet extremely personable, social, and polite, teens all the time. You can also find the grunters. Sometimes it's just personality. Sometimes it's dealing with puberty. Sometimes it's genuflecting against authority. As long as you support them, give them guidance in a respectful way, and involve yourself in their…

25 years is generally when the brain has fully matured physically, which as you say does not necessarily correlate with behavior.

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Post by geraldhh »

qball wrote: post #54
beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #16

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I don't know the whole 25 thing seems to be just mainly be something like a meme. You go out and you can meet extremely personable, social, and polite, teens all the time. You can also find the grunters. Sometimes it's just personality. Sometimes it's dealing with puberty. Sometimes it's genuflecting against authority. As long as you support them, give them guidance in a respectful way, and involve yourself in their…

>the whole 25 thing seems to be just mainly be something like a meme It comes from the same place "scientific" racism did. It's an excuse to not even bother trying because "muh hormones". Adult initiation rituals tend to be 13-14 in every pre-industrial society (current and historic) because that's when it happens biologically; it is therefore not a surprise, in Western countries where it's delayed by a decade, that…

idk preindustrial society requires every able body for manual labor and has a huge incentive to forgoe building of character and mind. i don't want that for my children

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Post by mharig »

sieste wrote: post #4

> From 75 hours of footage taken at San Diego and Leipzig zoos, scientists documented 142 clear instances of great apes teasing their compadres Less than 2 teases per hour! I wish some juvenile homo sapiens I know were that well behaved.

That is why many behavioural biologists study fish. Many more social interactions per hour, and principally the same interactions.
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