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The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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If regulation is needed to force the existence of electric cars around the 20k mark, that means nobody wants to buy them now

It's amazing to me that people still believe markets work in 2024.

How can something as dead simple as a market not work? Things are offered for sale, and then people buy the things. As long as there are transactions, it’s working.

Now, is the market efficient / globally optimal? No. Welcome to complex reality.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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A Model 3 literally does all of that, except for the bit about wanting to get it at a "dealer", which I suspect you included precisely to avoid buying the Tesla. So, I guess you'll have to wait. Or you could get a car delivered to your driveway for you like the rest of us urchins. But maybe that's just a bridge too far.

I ninja-edited in a requirement that I forgot: doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer. The Model 3 sort of meets the above but the phone-home connectivity (and poor after-sales support) are deal breakers for me.

It can be disabled and a piece of black tape can ensure no video is sent. Will you be heading to Tesla in the morning? ;)

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-EDAD116...

>By default, images and video from the camera do not leave the vehicle itself and are not transmitted to anyone, including Tesla, unless you enable data sharing.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Model 3 literally does all of that, except for the bit about wanting to get it at a "dealer", which I suspect you included precisely to avoid buying the Tesla. So, I guess you'll have to wait. Or you could get a car delivered to your driveway for you like the rest of us urchins. But maybe that's just a bridge too far.

I ninja-edited in a requirement that I forgot: doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer. The Model 3 sort of meets the above but the phone-home connectivity (and poor after-sales support) are deal breakers for me.

I'm not sure you can buy any nice car these days that doesn't include a cellular connection for some services. Otherwise, you'd be set, just buy a car that doesn't have its own cell connection (or tape over the inner camera of a Tesla and be done with it).

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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I just can’t get excited about large EVs anymore. We need cheaper, smaller EVs in the US yesterday. Looking at the options China and Europe have and comparing to what we have you can really get the sense that car companies here only care about making SUVs/trucks/and _some_ crossovers electric but don’t actually care about making small cars electric because of one thing.. profit. They know they’ll make more money on t…

> We need cheaper, smaller EVs in the US yesterday.

I've owned a Bolt. It was $24K out the door (however, no tax credit at the time). And I really have a hard time understanding why you'd call it large?

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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If regulation is needed to force the existence of electric cars around the 20k mark, that means nobody wants to buy them now

We are buying them. In the US, sales of e-bikes surpassed sales of electric cars in 2022.

Interesting point although ebikes are a slightly different niche. I bet most e bike owners also have a car.

They certainly make very short trips 10x easier and more fun though.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

#76

Oh boy, another unnecessarily large crossover gets stats that would have been perfectly achievable if they just made a normal-ass sedan

They make crossovers because they sell crossovers. If you want a compact sedan, you only have a few options (most of those are luxury or super low end, sans the Model 3).

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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If regulation is needed to force the existence of electric cars around the 20k mark, that means nobody wants to buy them now

If energy just cost what it actually cost (no fossil fuel subsidies) the rest would follow. The market distortion from gas subsidies has caused this mess, we didn't get to everyone driving a 5000 pound vehicle due to the free market. We got here because of backwards laws and automaker's exploitation of said laws. Fuel or electricity should cost what it costs. Vehicles need to be taxed according to their externalities…

I agree - I’m not sure if there’s a simple and robust way to set up a carbon tax, but in theory it would naturally push CO2 down over time.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

> I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them.

https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty

> 8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.

So I'm guessing either your friend doesn't read their warranty or they've gone over 150K?

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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>GM said the Equinox EV will beat other entry-level models in its segment, including the Tesla Model Y...

Wow. No way they're going to beat the #1 best selling EV in the world. GM is clearly still learning how to both make and sell EVs.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

#80

There's no way in hell they're making money at that price. They're probably not even breaking even. Even the higher trims are going to have extremely thin margins, if they're making money at all. Seeing as it's an $8K jump in price from the base model to the second level trim, I imagine dealers are going to make it very difficult to buy a base model.

If they are selling at a loss, makes me wonder if they're expecting to make up for it in software subscription sales.
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