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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by nerfbatplz »

Is it even possible to use a flipper zero to steal a car? I thought modern cars have rotating keys which would prevent a replay attack unless you had access to the fob long enough to figure out the seed in which case you may as well just use the key to open the car.

They steal cars by either breaking a window or by getting to the CAN bus through the bumper and hijacking the car by programming a new key using the car's VIN. Ban Toyota and Honda from selling cars with shitty security if you want to do anything about this problem without having to ask the police to be useful.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by WaxProlix »

evandale wrote: post #68
WaxProlix wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their stated aim was reduction in harm in (would be) mass shooting incidents, generally. I own guns, wish I could own more, and dislike 'liberal' and conservative infringements of my rights equally, but at least get the claims straight.

They literally called it an "assault-style gun" ban. If that's not judging guns based on how scary they look then what would you call it?

Depends on what the content of the law was, I suppose, but you're not really addressing my point. Why did they say they wanted to ban these weapons? And why did standard capacity mags get banned around the same time?

Hint: your mini 14, my g3, and my buddy's SKS all fell under this rule, despite having some distinct aesthetics (and all being pretty distinct from the dreaded AR15).

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

photoGrant wrote: post #18

Banning a Flipper Zero for Car Thefts is like banning a BB Gun for Firearm Deaths.... You're targeting the wrong device lol. edit: Further perspective: You need something that can perform a relay attack. You need someone with a powerful enough antenna to find the remote inside someone's home and relay it to a person near the car. This involves at least 2x CC1101's > As you can see, small embedded antennas are very in…

All guns do is accelerate a lump of metal! Anyone could do this before by practicing their throw!

Sometimes tech lowers the barrier to commit crimes and should be regulated.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by da768 »

parkcedar wrote: post #27
photoGrant wrote: post #18

Banning a Flipper Zero for Car Thefts is like banning a BB Gun for Firearm Deaths.... You're targeting the wrong device lol. edit: Further perspective: You need something that can perform a relay attack. You need someone with a powerful enough antenna to find the remote inside someone's home and relay it to a person near the car. This involves at least 2x CC1101's > As you can see, small embedded antennas are very in…

Don’t worry, Australia already did that.

Oh no worries, Canadian gov is pretty good at copying Australian laws. Netflix tax, link tax, etc.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by user_7832 »

15457345234 wrote: post #64
user_7832 wrote: post #55

Relevant part: > Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISED) Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada will work with Canadian companies, and the automotive industry, to develop new solutions to protect vehicles against theft and to assist with recovery of stolen vehicles. > ISED will pursue all avenues to ban devices used to steal vehicles by copying the wireless signals for remote keyless e…

> What would be okay is to ban the use of an F0 to steal a car. Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you. Same as (in the UK) carrying a set of lockpicks is grounds to be arrested for 'going equipped' unless you're a locksmith.

> Same as (in the UK) carrying a set of lockpicks is grounds to be arrested for 'going equipped' unless you're a locksmith.

That's interesting, here in the Netherlands I believe you can carry them about and use them, but of course only with permission of the lock owner.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

neilv wrote: post #10

The Flipper Zero is a general-purpose tool and STEM educational device. By banning the device, a country would be setting back their workforce of engineers and scientists a bit. How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption. Is the real problem that cars were made with security that they already knew was negligently weak at the time? If so, is a recall of those cars more appr…

It's a script kiddie tool that requires zero knowledge of radio theory and programming.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by MOARDONGZPLZ »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #40

This just means that only criminals will use Flipper Zero. And they were already stealing cars. I don’t think they will mind one additional illegal activity. But how many previously law abiding citizens will be hurt by not having this technology, or becoming criminals now?

How does one use an FZ to steal a car? I think the point is that it’s impractical bordering on impossible.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by evandale »

WaxProlix wrote: post #72
evandale wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They literally called it an "assault-style gun" ban. If that's not judging guns based on how scary they look then what would you call it?

Depends on what the content of the law was, I suppose, but you're not really addressing my point. Why did they say they wanted to ban these weapons? And why did standard capacity mags get banned around the same time? Hint: your mini 14, my g3, and my buddy's SKS all fell under this rule, despite having some distinct aesthetics (and all being pretty distinct from the dreaded AR15).

I've never heard them come up with reasons beyond that they look scary .. which you're disputing but you don't seem to know why they banned them?

I'm so confused now.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by xvector »

defrost wrote: post #63
xvector wrote: post #52

This is what happens when you let your government run wild. You can't carry a pocketknife in the UK, you can't carry a Flipper in Canada. Insane. I genuinely hope the US does not become even more of a farce of a democracy like these two. Soon our own fingers will be banned "for our own safety."

UK knife law allows you to carry non-locking pocket knives with a blade length up to 3 inches (7.62 cm) without any need for a valid reason. https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/uk-knife-laws.htm If you've got a job related need to carry a mofo knife (cane cutting with a machete) there's no drama. Yes, it's regulated - but it's not what you claim it to be. Next you'll be claiming there's no guns in Australia.

There is nothing wrong with locking knives. They are much safer to use for most tasks, including cutting thick cardboard, difficult food (cheeses), etc. I've brought >3in locking knives to picnics[1]. They are quite useful. The law against locking knives is probably responsible for a few Briton fingers being chopped off and has stopped precisely zero violent criminals.

"Gravity knives" are banned too. Why? They are simply easier to open. As easy to open as flipper knives, which are legal. And you don't even have to open fixed blades - also legal.

Butterfly knives are harmless. It is literally easier to kill someone with a legal knife than a butterfly knife, because with a butterfly knife you're forced into a ridiculous opening animation. But it looks spooky, so banned. Pathetic.

You can't even own some of these items in your own house. Imagine not being able to buy a decorative shuriken or whatever. How many people have been killed to shurikens, again? But if you put one on your wall it's 4 years in prison.

More importantly, what criminals will even care to follow this law? Do you really think a criminal interested in stabbing another person will go "geez, well, I guess the law says I can't use this 3.5 inch locking knife!" Fuck no, worst case they'll grab a kitchen knife and get stabbin'.

Stop trying to justify this ridiculousness. The UK is a surveillance state clown show where things are banned for fun. More cameras per capita than China and you can't own a decent box cutter because some politician is trying to justify their worthless existence.

[1]: https://www.victorinox.com/us/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/...

Imagine being sent to prison for 4 years and having your life literally ruined because you used this at a picnic. lol.

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