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Pakistan cuts off phone and internet services on election day

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Re: Pakistan cuts off phone and internet services on election day

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This is pretty indefensible and indicates the results of this 'election' are likely fixed.

Why does it indicate that? Every election in every country took place without Internet or (meaningful amounts of) cell phone service not that long ago .

Because in modern day the only reason to take that action is to manipulate votes.

Re: Pakistan cuts off phone and internet services on election day

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> in reality it's both Pakistan and India Pakistan’s top brass is anti-India. They’re also somewhat rational. If Pakistan’s nukes are launched, it’s because the zealots took control. At that point, I’m betting on Israel or even one of the Arab monarchies (if not Islamabad itself) [1]. [1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Sh...

>They’re also somewhat rational It only takes one generation to forget everything.

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Re: Pakistan cuts off phone and internet services on election day

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Pakistan is a sad tale. A country of 200 million+ with almost no future. The elites are busy milking what’s left of the country before it flames out. The idiotic IMF continues giving them loans to support the extremely corrupt system..the US government also supports the extremely corrupt military. This is what happens when corruption is built into the culture of your society and religious/tribal hullabaloo is more pr…

Corruption is a symptom of Pakistan's deeper systematic problems, not the cause. Whole books have been written about this. Unless you define corruption = anything bad that someone with power does.

It's also apparent that whenever democratic forces have been allowed to fix public systems in some small amount, corruption has gone down, or the system has become much more pleasant and efficient for the public to use.

Re: Pakistan cuts off phone and internet services on election day

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“Disinformation” is always a smokescreen. All nominal (keyword) democratic processes are filled with disinformation: standard advertisement. Those who want peace, lay down your own arms as well (no takers). Like almost 2 years of election circus in the US federal election. > I think your point (that people ought to be smart and strong enough to withstand all and any malign influence(?)) That’s absurd. I don’t concept…

Here's a document I am currently reading for my research [0]. It contains some interesting definitions I hope you find helpful. [0] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2021/6536...

Helpful?

> Here, disinformation refers to false, inaccurate or misleading information designed, presented and promoted intentionally to cause public harm or make a profit.

Is campaigning on lies a form of profit? You might win. These hypocrites really dare to present this as novel? Lying in politics?

What’s really the practical difference between this ostensibly oh-so clearly demarcated “disinformation” and less outright other-information? The difference is having a discourse fog which makes it practically impossible to conclude anything without sinking into a quagmire of rhetoric.

Here’s a “Beijing” statement, hypothetical:

> We the people of China

Ah! the eggheads exclaim. Propaganda! Clear disinformation since China is an authoritarian state (sorry, regime)—it can’t be a state “of the people”.

Here’s a “Washington” statement:

> The President does not suffer symptoms of senility

What is this? This is twenty different articles and op-eds back and forth on this topic:

- Well he went to the doctor 15 years ago and he said he was fine

- My good friend Joe Biden would never become demented—he would rather [redacted]

- I respect the President but it’s time for some young blood in leadership

- As a close aide to the President, blah blah

- He might not seem as sharp as 12 years ago but [diversion tactic]

Isn’t it amazing—you cannot peddle outright disinformation if you are sufficiently powerful, almost by definition; there is always some clown who will bat for you. And the result? A discourse fog. No one is a liar. No one is peddling “disinformation for profit.”

In conclusion: what we do are varying levels of information. But what these foreign forces do (because they are not here to defend themselves, and anyone who defends them (or just has a nuanced point of view) is just -puppet anyway) is disinformation because they clearly are X while they claim to be Y.

Re: Pakistan cuts off phone and internet services on election day

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The craziest thing is that Pakistan has nuclear weapons. And not only that, the weapons are at the disposal of the local (very high ranking) commanders. It also is a country where the military is really in charge, only occasionally giving back the control to a civilian government. Sometimes people think that Eastern Europe is the most likely place to get nuked, or perhaps some American carrier off the coast of China.…

Well, one of those two countries has a no-first-use nuclear doctrine, so I imagine there's a probability conditional there.

Doctrine is just a paper. It's not even constitution. It could be changed in a minute if necessary (or even post-factum or some sketchy justifications could be made up).

It surprises me sometimes, how much value people put in some documents, disregarding those who can change or ignore those documents.

Re: Pakistan cuts off phone and internet services on election day

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Some countries including my home country Poland impose a ban on political agitation on the election day. It means that no political content may be published on that day, but whatever has been published before that is allowed to stay. This is an old law which predates the Internet, so anything from social media posts to hanging up election posters is liable to be prosecuted and the authorities frequently do so. It's l…

Wait, do Polish people not consider themselves part of the West? Genuine question. I've met and worked with quite a few Poles since moving to the EU and my current takeaway is that it's in a really interesting fusion time between West, East, and some more mysterious third thing.

On the other hand an American (migrant) doing an about face about a group of people based on preconceived notions is completely expected.

Re: Pakistan cuts off phone and internet services on election day

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Just wait until the elites figure out they can also milk China for port access that doesn't require transiting the south china sea?

There's just the small matter of the Himilayas dividing mainland China from Pakistani ports.

If you wanted to build a cargo connection, the Himalayas would be a problem.

If you only want to siphon off construction funds, the Himalayas provide an excellent excuse for any lack of progress.

Re: Pakistan cuts off phone and internet services on election day

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The craziest thing is that Pakistan has nuclear weapons. And not only that, the weapons are at the disposal of the local (very high ranking) commanders. It also is a country where the military is really in charge, only occasionally giving back the control to a civilian government. Sometimes people think that Eastern Europe is the most likely place to get nuked, or perhaps some American carrier off the coast of China.…

Well, one of those two countries has a no-first-use nuclear doctrine, so I imagine there's a probability conditional there.

Would the country with a no first use happen to be the country with a prime minister and governors that encourage killing of their own country men with a different religion. Color me skeptical

Re: Pakistan cuts off phone and internet services on election day

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South Korea shuts down air travel during the nation wide university entrance examination.

I was curious, so I googled… - “The government grounds aircraft or reroutes flights to keep students from getting distracted during the biggest test of their lives.” - “ On the streets Thursday morning, you could hear more sirens than usual, because anyone running late to the competitive exam can call for a free police escort to rush them straight to the test site.” - “Success is defined narrowly. Get a high score on…

This test seems to control your trajectory in Korean society to a very high degree, which seems like overkill in my view, because a test can only be so reflective of real-life skills. I have a family member who did very well on the test and got into Seoul National University, which is reputed to be the best university in Korea. According to them, their IQ is "only" 120-130, but they have very good memory, and are able to study endlessly without tiring. Are those useful skills? Yes, for many things, but not for everything.
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