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If Waymo is truly as much better than Cruise as the statistics claim, this is a perfect opportunity to release the full video of the incident. Most collisions are avoidable, but a few are the result of a perfect storm of conditions that would be difficult to navigate for even the most skilled human driver. To know whether the truck's occlusion of the cyclist is one of those cases requires the actual footage.
Sooo, is that picture from the incident? Edit: The logo on the steering wheel is Jaguar.. That's a bullshit image right? Double Edit: > SFPD said the collision is under investigation and did not provide details on what caused the cyclist and autonomous vehicle to collide So we don't even know who hit who lol. "Cyclist and Waymo Collide" sounds more accurate yeah?
waymo has a whole bunch of Jaguar I-Pace SUVs. https://waymo.com/blog/2018/03/meet-our-newest-self-driving-...
It's a getty image. they're usually pretty good about disclosing whether an image is a real image or a composite.
Sooo, is that picture from the incident? Edit: The logo on the steering wheel is Jaguar.. That's a bullshit image right? Double Edit: > SFPD said the collision is under investigation and did not provide details on what caused the cyclist and autonomous vehicle to collide So we don't even know who hit who lol. "Cyclist and Waymo Collide" sounds more accurate yeah?
>the logo on the steering wheel is jaguar. that's a bullshit image, right? waymo has a whole bunch of Jaguar I-Pace SUVs. https://waymo.com/blog/2018/03/meet-our-newest-self-driving-... It's a getty image. they're usually pretty good about disclosing whether an image is a real image or a composite.
Edit: I still have my suspicions it's not even a real image but a composite, getty or not. The shadows from the cyclist don't match that from the cars.
If Waymo is truly as much better than Cruise as the statistics claim, this is a perfect opportunity to release the full video of the incident. Most collisions are avoidable, but a few are the result of a perfect storm of conditions that would be difficult to navigate for even the most skilled human driver. To know whether the truck's occlusion of the cyclist is one of those cases requires the actual footage.
Only way that happens is if the cyclist signs a boatload of paperwork to waive his right to litigation. And on top of that, I'm far less interested in the footage than I am the telemetry. What was the state of the gas and brake, what was the steering angle, how long was it from detection to action. Those things concretely answer the question of "would a human have done better or worse in this situation?", which is ul…
You absolutely cannot answer that question without looking at the video and considering how easy or hard it would have been for a human to detect (or suspect) the cyclist in that situation.
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No, it's safer to follow the rules of the road. Stop at stop signs and red lights or risk winding up on someone's windshield without anyone's pity.
California has Idaho stops, so cyclists not stopping at Stop signs IS following the rules of the road (if the Cyclist did yield and just also didn't see the Waymo car). Bicycles starting on the side of the road can ofter get side swiped because they're in car blind spots because they don't accelerate fast enough. Going faster makes them more visible for cars.
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>the logo on the steering wheel is jaguar. that's a bullshit image, right? waymo has a whole bunch of Jaguar I-Pace SUVs. https://waymo.com/blog/2018/03/meet-our-newest-self-driving-... It's a getty image. they're usually pretty good about disclosing whether an image is a real image or a composite.
Okay, so it's a real image but not of the incident? Edit: I still have my suspicions it's not even a real image but a composite, getty or not. The shadows from the cyclist don't match that from the cars.
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I don’t know about California but that’s legal where I live. Vehicles on opposite sides of a 4-way stop can enter simultaneously if both are going straight.
The way Mo was turning
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Cyclists can treat Stop signs as Yield signs in California.
Not legally. There was a failed push for this to become law in the past.
I looked up the cited street in street view- there are stop signs in all 4 directions. I look forward to the full accident report, but from the evidence available it sounds like the cyclist didn’t stop at the sign appropriately.
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Why? If you don’t follow the rules of the road the cyclist is to blame. Now what Waymo needs to do to avoid this in the future is a whole other discussion…
Waymo needs to do nothing to avoid this in the future if their vehicle was following the rules of the road and the cyclist did not.