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Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by pquki4 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What's wrong with Alt/Option - Tab instead? In my life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narro…

Exactly. My regular setup is two 27" monitors both at home and at work, but I noticed that most if the time I focus on one monitor, while the other monitor is secondary with Teams, Outlook etc and only "supports" my workflow.

I am sure a setup as shown in the video could help someone like a stock trader as they are used to getting large amount of input from multiple sources. But I think for most people, to actually get things done, they only have this much attention and can do limited amount of multitasking. Having to arrange windows is also a real hassle. And for me, I already use workspace features for different projects, which is a bit burdening, and having infinite amount of windows around is not going to help.

Which is why I never bothered to add a third monitor when I could easily do so. I tried it out a few times with my tablet but found that display mostly unused.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by dansalvato »

exitb wrote: post #68

What happens when you open the fridge door? Does the note move along, or clip through the door, into the fridge?

I've done some experimenting with this. If a window is in focus, it occludes real-world objects, even those that are in front of the window. The real-world object becomes maybe 5% visible, so you can just barely see it.

If the window is not in focus (like if you're not looking directly at it), then it goes 50/50 with real-world objects, so any real object in front of it becomes sort of a "ghost" in order for you to still be able to see the window. It never tries to occlude apps behind real-world objects, except for your hands, which do full occlusion, as shown in the video.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by mil22 »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #66
mil22 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. I have tried multiple monitors so many times over the years but always come back to a single display, usually 24-27”. Turning your head is a hassle. I also find turning my eyes fatiguing if the angle of movement is too great. So I tend to prefer smaller, higher PPD displays over larger displays with the same resolution. I want a lot of pixels in a compact FOV. For me, 4K 24” has been the sweet spot for…

I don't understand. I don't even have to technically turn head with 3 screens. It's just eyes I have to move, and even if I turned head, it's barely 20 degrees? I have 3 screens, but honestly would prefer more. I find it more uncomfortable to eyes to switch screens on the same window, especially if one is light and the other is dark. The blinking is disorientating and can be eye hurting, because eye is not prepared f…

I think it very much depends on the viewing distance. Using https://qasimk.io/screen-ppd/:

* Your 22" screen at a distance of 32" has a horizontal FOV of 33°. Moving your eyes from the middle of one screen to the adjacent screen is a 33° movement. Assuming 1080p it would have a PPD of 58, which is roughly retina PPD.

* My 27" screen at a distance of 20" (I measured it [update: originally measured at 14", remeasured in a more relaxed posture]) has a horizontal FOV of 60°, almost twice as wide. Moving my eyes to an adjacent screen would be physically impossible and I'd have to turn my head since the maximum adduction angle for human eyes is ~45° (each side). At 4K it has a PPD of 32, not even retina.

Although you can move your eyes from the center of the left screen to the center of the right (33 * 2 = 66°), you can't see the edges of your outer screens without turning your head slightly (33 * 3 = 99°, greater than human adduction of 45 * 2 = 90°).

Your three screens have a combined FOV of 99°, which is 50% bigger than my single 27" at 60°. That's definitely more, but it's 1.5x, not 3x, more. So our setups are not that different, it's just that you are using three monitors to cover a little more horizontal FOV than I get sitting closer to just one.

> I find it more uncomfortable to eyes to switch screens on the same window, especially if one is light and the other is dark. The blinking is disorientating and can be eye hurting, because eye is not prepared for the color switch/ doesn't know what to expect.

I use dark theme for everything so don't have this issue and am constantly switching between tabs and windows.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

mil22 wrote: post #73
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand. I don't even have to technically turn head with 3 screens. It's just eyes I have to move, and even if I turned head, it's barely 20 degrees? I have 3 screens, but honestly would prefer more. I find it more uncomfortable to eyes to switch screens on the same window, especially if one is light and the other is dark. The blinking is disorientating and can be eye hurting, because eye is not prepared f…

I think it very much depends on the viewing distance. Using https://qasimk.io/screen-ppd/ : * Your 22" screen at a distance of 32" has a horizontal FOV of 33°. Moving your eyes from the middle of one screen to the adjacent screen is a 33° movement. Assuming 1080p it would have a PPD of 58, which is roughly retina PPD. * My 27" screen at a distance of 20" (I measured it [update: originally measured at 14", remeasured…

I also use dark theme for everything, and I also have a browser extension for that, but I keep disabling/enabling it because sometimes things bug on dark mode.

How is to be 14 inches from the screen? I wouldn't feel good being this near to the screen.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by crtasm »

cubefox wrote: post #70
js2 wrote: post #29

How long I wonder before Apple is able to link multiple Vision Pros together so that people in the same physical space can share the same augmented reality? Imagine if when he says hello to his partner, she's also wearing a Vision Pro and is able to walk around their house seeing the same reality. That would make the VP much less isolating which is one of the main "I'd never use this" reasons I have against it. I cou…

This reminds me of some dystopian science fiction film where everyone is immersed in a shiny AR layer, while reality without the layer is dirty and derelict. Scene: A fancy nightclub, pretty people dancing to very loud music, surreal virtual objects and effects everywhere. Swap to reality: The music turns off. It's no longer night. An old, run-down building. Headset people in shabby clothes dancing to inaudible sound…

I've been to some excellent parties in buildings like that!

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by turtlebits »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What's wrong with Alt/Option - Tab instead? In my life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narro…

You can place and size the screens wherever you want. If this guy wants place an additional 2 screens to his left so he has to turn his head, so be it. The fact that tech allows you to experiment with any screen config/layout is pretty amazing.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by dayvid »

mil22 wrote: post #53
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What's wrong with Alt/Option - Tab instead? In my life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narro…

Totally agree. I have tried multiple monitors so many times over the years but always come back to a single display, usually 24-27”. Turning your head is a hassle. I also find turning my eyes fatiguing if the angle of movement is too great. So I tend to prefer smaller, higher PPD displays over larger displays with the same resolution. I want a lot of pixels in a compact FOV. For me, 4K 24” has been the sweet spot for…

Use tiling window manager + one large or ultrawidescreen monitor. If you have Mac, rectangle is good free software (https://rectangleapp.com/)

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by pazimzadeh »

turtlebits wrote: post #76
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What's wrong with Alt/Option - Tab instead? In my life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narro…

You can place and size the screens wherever you want. If this guy wants place an additional 2 screens to his left so he has to turn his head, so be it. The fact that tech allows you to experiment with any screen config/layout is pretty amazing.

But the field of view is not very large. You would have to make the windows smaller if you wanted to not have to turn your head.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by turtlebits »

xnx wrote: post #11
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

Turning your head ~90 degrees to the left just to be able to see Slack(or any other windows) is for me an productivity nerf, not a boost. What's wrong with Alt/Option - Tab instead? In my life I experimented with 3 monitors, 2 monitors, one monitor, ultra widescreens, square aspect ratio displays, and a mix of several of those, etc. and I find the best productivity setup is when I have everything centered in my narro…

Exactly. You can only focus your attention on a limited area regardless of number of screens. A head-turn is a worse interface for switching information than a shortcut key.

Everyone works differently. I use several monitors at work and definitely have to turn my head a few degrees to focus on my secondary. I use an ultrawide at home.

I'm way more productive with more display area than a single display using virtual workspaces and shortcut keys.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by js2 »

cubefox wrote: post #70
js2 wrote: post #29

How long I wonder before Apple is able to link multiple Vision Pros together so that people in the same physical space can share the same augmented reality? Imagine if when he says hello to his partner, she's also wearing a Vision Pro and is able to walk around their house seeing the same reality. That would make the VP much less isolating which is one of the main "I'd never use this" reasons I have against it. I cou…

This reminds me of some dystopian science fiction film where everyone is immersed in a shiny AR layer, while reality without the layer is dirty and derelict. Scene: A fancy nightclub, pretty people dancing to very loud music, surreal virtual objects and effects everywhere. Swap to reality: The music turns off. It's no longer night. An old, run-down building. Headset people in shabby clothes dancing to inaudible sound…

Sure, I'm cognizant of that too: Ready Player One, The Matrix, Neuromancer. But I honestly don't think that's our most likely future dystopia. For me it's a toss up between Brazil and Idiocracy.
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