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I also hacked my car

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Re: I also hacked my car

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Post by mywittyname »

ThinkingGuy wrote: post #60
bloomingeek wrote: post #7

Awesome post! When will we be able to operate our car without it spying on us? Will we eventually be able to turn off the "phoning home" function/part?

If you wait long enough, the problem will fix itself. My 2012 Nissan Leaf is equipped with a 3G cellular modem (upgraded from the 2G that it originally shipped with). Since the providers all shut down their 3G networks, it's been effectively offline.

You can also remove the cellular modules without issue (other than online services not working), in my experience.

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

Slurpuff wrote: post #8
bloomingeek wrote: post #7

Awesome post! When will we be able to operate our car without it spying on us? Will we eventually be able to turn off the "phoning home" function/part?

The hard part about this nobody is willing to experiment with their $30k+ vehicle and risk bricking it. If you want a car that doesn’t spy on you you’re gonna have to look back a decade or so.

You can just turn off via breaker the lte modem inside a tesla. Original ones had a 3g modem, they were replaced eventually with an lte one. Spying is under your control at least overall. The insidious thing is there are so many useful things in the tesla ui, you want to use it. I have experimented with disabling the modem but it was just so useful to have maps and current and accurate traffic that I quickly put it back. Also using voice commands to play music. There's just nothing as good for the phone.

There is potential for someone to make an ipad app that did all these things and connected to say your phone's hotspot so you could control everything. Soon you would be remaking android auto though. I think there's no market for a "you control your privacy" type thing.

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Post by ryukoposting »

pvaldes wrote: post #40
stavros wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would the bill be for? "Changing stuff you own"? When did we wholly give ourselves up to the idea that the manufacturer owns the stuff we bought, and they can penalize us for messing with their things?

They will see malware in the ECU. If a system is compromised by "obvious malware", other systems could be also. If there is a possible danger for your physical integrity any sensible worker will worry and take actions, specially before it evolves into a legal danger for them. They will not hesitate to change the Electronic Control module and maybe the BSI also, just to be sure that your car don't fails in the worse m…

If you modify your car with an aftermarket part, and take it to the shop, they aren't going to yank out your aftermarket parts because they're "worried about liability." They're going to leave it there, because it's your car, not theirs. It's not their job to stupid-proof your vehicle, it's their job to fix it.

I don't know why software would be any different.

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

batch12 wrote: post #43
bloomingeek wrote: post #7

Awesome post! When will we be able to operate our car without it spying on us? Will we eventually be able to turn off the "phoning home" function/part?

Disconnecting the cellular antenna from behind my head unit is on my list of things to do.

You can just turn off the breaker for the modem, why don't people just do that? Yes, you can remove the thing, but you can experiment today by doing that first step. There are tesla hackers, like this person https://twitter.com/greentheonly. They decompile the os releases and looks for new but disabled features.

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

w3news wrote: post #20

Too mad that we have to hack our car to customize it. We can reinstall computers very easy, choose the OS you like. But cannot do something on our car. Old cars, you can modify everything, grap your tools, and you can do what you want. Modern cars are too closed, you are too depend on the factory what they allow you can do. Also are modern cars too complex with too many gadgets. Please keep it simple, it is a car, no…

I think it's good to separate the drivetrain from the infotainment in these discussions. Hacking the infotainment is a world of difference in a tesla where you have basically software impacting driving a lot; the tesla doesn't deliver all the power, it's too much. There have been people who have gotten service mode access and disabled traction control etc, many wrecks resulted from spinouts.

On the other hand, the infotainment can be rebooted even while driving. The drive train is much more protected and controlled, for a reason.

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Post by bonestamp2 »

bloomingeek wrote: post #7

Awesome post! When will we be able to operate our car without it spying on us? Will we eventually be able to turn off the "phoning home" function/part?

Thankfully, the telematics module is separate on most vehicles. You can pull the power from the module with no consequences on most vehicles. If you don't like what happens when you remove power from that module, plug it back in. On some cars you may have to start the car up to 6 times before any errors show up (if at all). This is because some cars only do a full scan of the vehicle bus every so many starts.

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Post by enthdegree »

gambiting wrote: post #10
enthdegree wrote: post #3

Fairly recent Hondas and Acura base infotainment systems have needless >1 second Bluetooth audio lag. I wish someone with the knowledge would do something similar for these.

Don't all cars have this? I've driven lots of different cars from all kinds of manufacturers and they all have Bluetooth lag, sucks if you want to watch YouTube just sitting in the car waiting for something.

No, the reason Hondas and Acuras have it is specifically because of (if I understand it correctly) a bug in the car’s Bluetooth handshake that sends audio streams as data. Someone found this by doing a Wireshark capture connecting a laptop’s Bluetooth to the car.

I have little hope for a fix. It seems likely that its easier to just replace the entire controller that drives the audio and screen, and that sounds really really hard.

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Post by pvaldes »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #78
pvaldes wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All brands have an associated net of official dealers to provide post-sale services.

Such as?

Such as guarantees, recalls, offers, campaigns, financing, leasing, standard maintenance, buying original parts, upgrading software, downloading GPS maps, resetting the addblue, refilling your particle filter liquid, changing belts, buying extra power for some time...

I thing that the term is pretty self-explainable. Every support that the customer could request from the brand after the sale. Some of this things can be provided by anybody, other only by the brand.

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