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Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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This is so ridiculous, the science points to the fact that the claim that it causes cancer is not true... I really don't like the american justice system. We literally live next to coal plants that put chemicals in the air 24/7 that are certainly certainly causing cancer for people later... You can find studies showing certain meats are correlated with cancer, can we sue the grocery stores?

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Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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Polychlorinated Biphenyls, Agent Orange, 2,3,7,8-TCDD, aspartame, patented GM crops and now glyphosate the list goes on. Monsanto (now Bayer) is really living up to the name of "evil corporation". https://dioxindorms.com/content/chronology.html https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41271-018-0146-8 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/24/monsanto...

Wait, what, aspartame? You tried to slip that one in, didn't you.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#73
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Polychlorinated Biphenyls, Agent Orange, 2,3,7,8-TCDD, aspartame, patented GM crops and now glyphosate the list goes on. Monsanto (now Bayer) is really living up to the name of "evil corporation". https://dioxindorms.com/content/chronology.html https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41271-018-0146-8 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/24/monsanto...

Wait, what, aspartame? You tried to slip that one in, didn't you.

It's been classed as an IARC Group 2B suspected carcinogen, this is new research (2023).

https://www.who.int/news/item/14-07-2023-aspartame-hazard-an...

https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/statement/2023/06/widely-u...

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#74

This is so ridiculous, the science points to the fact that the claim that it causes cancer is not true... I really don't like the american justice system. We literally live next to coal plants that put chemicals in the air 24/7 that are certainly certainly causing cancer for people later... You can find studies showing certain meats are correlated with cancer, can we sue the grocery stores?

> put chemicals in the air 24/7

That is super funny to me. That people obsess so much about food while they are living in the city and various poisons have direct contact with their blood on their every breath.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#75

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I mean I would also support levying multi-billion dollar fines against coal plants. Frankly in terms of the negative externalities they have caused they probably owe that many times over.

The American coal industry employs less than 50,000 people. For $5B, you could close every coal plant, give every single person a $100,000 severance package and tell them to go find a job elsewhere.

This should probably be done.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#76
post #73

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Wait, what, aspartame? You tried to slip that one in, didn't you.

It's been classed as an IARC Group 2B suspected carcinogen, this is new research (2023). https://www.who.int/news/item/14-07-2023-aspartame-hazard-an... https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/statement/2023/06/widely-u...

The word "suspected" does not appear on the report you linked. Rather it says it is a "possible" carcinogenic. Moreover

> The committee therefore reaffirmed that it is safe for a person to consume within this limit per day. For example, with a can of diet soft drink containing 200 or 300 mg of aspartame, an adult weighing 70kg would need to consume more than 9–14 cans per day to exceed the acceptable daily intake, assuming no other intake from other food sources.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, what, aspartame? You tried to slip that one in, didn't you.

It's been classed as an IARC Group 2B suspected carcinogen, this is new research (2023). https://www.who.int/news/item/14-07-2023-aspartame-hazard-an... https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/statement/2023/06/widely-u...

This is a category that includes pickles and cell phones. The standards for this category is if some study exists somewhere suggested that, in some quantity, an item might be carcinogenic, possibly only with certain animals. The studies do not require follow-ups or repeatability. It's the lowest standard that the IARC uses.

But you just threw that in with Agent Orange. I declare this a canonical example of someone with an axe to grind.

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been classed as an IARC Group 2B suspected carcinogen, this is new research (2023). https://www.who.int/news/item/14-07-2023-aspartame-hazard-an... https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/statement/2023/06/widely-u...

This is a category that includes pickles and cell phones. The standards for this category is if some study exists somewhere suggested that, in some quantity, an item might be carcinogenic, possibly only with certain animals. The studies do not require follow-ups or repeatability. It's the lowest standard that the IARC uses. But you just threw that in with Agent Orange. I declare this a canonical example of someone wi…

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8227014/

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#79
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I assume this comment is a reference to Purdue Pharma preemptively filing for bankrupcy after losing a bunch of lawsuits due to the (surely!) criminal way in which they--and the Sackler family that owns it--sold opiods. However, as much as I hate the Sacklers, I have to pipe in here out of a respect for the truth (Gell-Mann Amnesia style). The Purdue bankruptcy was not some sort of Machiavellian "get out of jail free…

> I assume this comment is a reference to Purdue Pharma sure, assume away. I was thinking more of J&J's talc=>asbestos, Alex Jones, and all of the other cases. It's not like the Sacklers are original thinkers. Some of us have memories longer than goldfishes

I was thinking of Dow/DuPont's Bhopal subsidiary [0]

0: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bhopal-disa...

Re: Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto with $2.25B Roundup Verdict

#80
post #69

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I wouldn't worry too much about it. The global and national cancer trends don't track Roundup entering the food system or the agricultural sector. To the extent it might be a carcinogen, it's not a dominant environmental carcinogen relative to other forces.

Well, most people globally aren't drinking from a well near a farm that uses Roundup. So that isn't really relevant for this person.

But most everyone is eating food that was treated with Roundup during its cultivation. If it was an unsafe at any dose chemical like lead, the global medical numbers should bear that out by now. Meanwhile, levels are monitored at locations like farms where it's actively used.
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