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HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by ceejayoz »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #60
jeffbee wrote: post #10

This is one of the many reasons that "parental rights" people are dead wrong. People as young as 12 should have the absolute right to seek and get, in confidence, this vaccine and other health care. Nobody should give any weight to whether their parents want them to not have this vaccine.

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Age of consent laws have nothing to do with parents' rights; that's about the child's rights. I don't think any of us want a world where a parent can consent to sex on behalf of their child.

(In fact, parents' rights to consent to underage marriage in some states is currently a loophole in this regard. https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/channels/news/child-marriages...)

> In many U.S. states, children can legally marry at an earlier age than they can consent to sex, leading to situations where sex between spouses may be a criminal act. Some states exempt sex between married spouses from their definition of statutory rape, which may create perverse incentives for child marriage, according to researchers from McGill University.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by TylerE »

londons_explore wrote: post #52
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #2

It's so crazy/impressive to me that some vaccines are actually "prefect".

Many vaccines become 'perfect' by causing the disease they treat to die out in the local community. It doesn't need to be perfect at the individual level to cause that - and in fact many vaccines at the individual level actually have pretty bad metrics - like for example only preventing half of cases.

You're seeing this in vivo with polio - POLIO!! - starting to make a reappearance in some of the more extremist Hassidic communes in NYC. Those groups do not get vaccines.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by magicalist »

logicchains wrote: post #42
ericmcer wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did she believe that? I like to believe are politicians aren’t completely insane so what pseudo/bad whatever studies led her to believe vaccines cause mental retardation?

Even one of the original developers of the vaccine questioned the benefits: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/ . In VAERS post-market data there are more issues associated with Gardasil than any other vaccine prior to the covid vaccines. You just don't hear about it because pharmaceutical companies spend an incredible amount of money on advertisement and lobbying.

> Even one of the original developers of the vaccine questioned the benefits

You mean

"She says data available for Gardasil shows that it lasts five years; there is no data showing that it remains effective beyond five years."

well, there wasn't any 5+ years data in 2009.

Weird that when this comes up in the antivaxxer catechisms it's always this story from 2009 and never Dr. Harper's 15 years of work since then firmly establishing the efficacy, safety, and longevity of the vaccine, and setting up vaccination and screening programs world wide to hopefully eliminate cervical cancer within the next few decades.

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Post by bigbillheck »

lancebeet wrote: post #13

It seems a little strange to me that the people interviewed in this article find this is so remarkable. Only 40,000 people belonged to the group that got the vaccine before 14. If the incidence rate were the same as for the unvaccinated (8.4 per 100k) you would have expected roughly 4 in the group to have gotten cancer. If the incidence rate were the same as for those vaccinated after 14 (3.2 per 100k), you would hav…

I believe that's "8.4 per 100k PER YEAR".

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Post by alfor »

jmyeet wrote: post #58
jeffbee wrote: post #10

This is one of the many reasons that "parental rights" people are dead wrong. People as young as 12 should have the absolute right to seek and get, in confidence, this vaccine and other health care. Nobody should give any weight to whether their parents want them to not have this vaccine.

Children have rights. Parents have responsibilities. Vaccines are a medical miracle. Never except that being an anti-vaxxer (or a "vaccine skeptic", which is the sanitized name for the same thing) as being on equal footing. Vaccines are evidence-based. Anti-vaxxers are vibes-based.

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Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

ceejayoz wrote: post #71
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Age of consent laws have nothing to do with parents' rights; that's about the child's rights. I don't think any of us want a world where a parent can consent to sex on behalf of their child. (In fact, parents' rights to consent to underage marriage in some states is currently a loophole in this regard. https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/channels/news/child-marriages... ) > In many U.S. states, children can legally marry…

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Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by bregma »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #19
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #12

The continuing focus on cervical cancer and women’s sexual health in the context of HPV (vaccination) is my biggest pet peeve ever. HPV causes penile, anal, mouth-throat and cervical cancer. I‘d argue that all of those cancers are much, much worse than cervical cancer. After all, they can cause permanent disfigurement, chronic pain, inability to ever speak again and loss of the penis. Infertility? Woe is me! Anyone w…

Here in Ontario the vaccine is given by default to everyone, male or female.

When my kids were in school that was certainly not the case. It must have changed recently.

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Post by bregma »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #12

The continuing focus on cervical cancer and women’s sexual health in the context of HPV (vaccination) is my biggest pet peeve ever. HPV causes penile, anal, mouth-throat and cervical cancer. I‘d argue that all of those cancers are much, much worse than cervical cancer. After all, they can cause permanent disfigurement, chronic pain, inability to ever speak again and loss of the penis. Infertility? Woe is me! Anyone w…

100% of all cervical cancer patients already don't have a penis. There are about 10 times the number of deaths each year from cervical cancer as there are from penile cancer, and scooping out parts of your innards is not just infertility but is far more invasive and liable to complications than just slicing off your dangly bits. Sounds a bit like an argument from misogyny.

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Post by ceejayoz »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #77
ceejayoz wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Age of consent laws have nothing to do with parents' rights; that's about the child's rights. I don't think any of us want a world where a parent can consent to sex on behalf of their child. (In fact, parents' rights to consent to underage marriage in some states is currently a loophole in this regard. https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/channels/news/child-marriages... ) > In many U.S. states, children can legally marry…

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Child rape is a situation where it shouldn't matter how many people approve.

If your twelve year old wants to have sex, and you with your "parents' rights" endorse that choice, you should go to jail. Because your right as a parent to make decisions is in conflict with the right of the child not to be subject to statutory rape.

The poster upthread asserts a similar conflict between the rights of the parent to make decisions and the right of the child to lifesaving medical measures.

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