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Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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previously: science fiction author Peter Watts' 2009 post musing about spider intelligence vs Turing machines:

https://rifters.com/real/2009/01/iterating-towards-bethlehem...

> Here's the thumbnail sketch: we have here a spider who eats other spiders, who changes her foraging strategy on the fly, who resorts to trial and error techniques to lure prey into range. She will brave a full frontal assault against prey carrying an egg sac, but sneak up upon an unencumbered target of the same species. Many insects and arachnids are known for fairly complex behaviors (bumblebees are the proletarian's archetype; Sphex wasps are the cool grad-school example), but those behaviors are hardwired and inflexible. Portia here is not so rote: Portia improvises.

> But it's not just this flexible behavioral repertoire that's so amazing. It's not the fact that somehow, this dumb little spider with its crude compound optics has visual acuity to rival a cat's (even though a cat's got orders of magnitude more neurons in one retina than our spider has in her whole damn head). It's not even the fact that this little beast can figure out a maze which entails recognizing prey, then figuring out an approach path along which that prey is not visible (i.e., the spider can't just keep her eyes on the ball: she has to develop and remember a search image), then follow her best-laid plans by memory including recognizing when she's made a wrong turn and retracing her steps, all the while out of sight of her target. No, the really amazing thing is how she does all this with a measly 600,000 neurons— how she pulls off cognitive feats that would challenge a mammal with seventy million or more.

> She does it like a Turing Machine, one laborious step at a time. She does it like a Sinclair ZX-80: running one part of the system then another, because she doesn't have the circuitry to run both at once. She does it all sequentially, by timesharing.

If you like this kind of thing, check out Watts' novel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel)

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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post #31

Do yall ever think there could be more practical uses for research money than doing IQ tests on jumping spiders? These results could well be made up. After all, you'd hate to be the guy who spends years studying spiders just to conclude that they're about as stupid as everyone thinks they are.

do you think they know that portia are smarter than most spiders by only studying portia? these are novel outcomes arrived at by attempting to prove observed theories, not flights of fancy for someone attached to a favorite species

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's great, but if I ever see a jumping spider in my house then I will not hesitate to murder it in cold blood.

That's so sad. I'm pretty militantly anti-spider but jumping spiders, despite seeming like they were sent from hell to terrify us, are just little furry big-eyed arthro-bros

They even kill insects for us

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

#74

The more I learn about various living beings around us, the more I'm convinced that they are all unique, individual people, with unique opinions and desires. They have unique DNA and unique personalities. If you've ever spent an extended period of time with any animal, you know that they all have different personalities and opinions that differ from other animals of the same species, eerily similar to humans. They tr…

How did you discover plants have unique opinions?

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's great, but if I ever see a jumping spider in my house then I will not hesitate to murder it in cold blood.

That's so sad. I'm pretty militantly anti-spider but jumping spiders, despite seeming like they were sent from hell to terrify us, are just little furry big-eyed arthro-bros

Then why do our genetic memories compel us to be terrified of them

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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post #11

I forget who said this or exactly what they said, but someone has pointed out that the more research humans conduct the more we find that animals and even plants are more complex, more intelligent and more sophisticated than we thought. It is worth keeping this in mind the next time someone tells you a small creature (perhaps a crustacean) cannot feel or think or do something that would mean we ought to be less cruel…

That's great, but if I ever see a jumping spider in my house then I will not hesitate to murder it in cold blood.

I take the opposite approach - any spider I see inside, even Black Widows, I carry outside in a cup. At least they then have a chance. And Widows will do their level best to nest somewhere far out-of-site and never bother you. I also encourage my neighbors to not sterilize around their houses with industrial bug spray because spiders and bugs are 99,999/100,000, nothing but beneficial.

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's so sad. I'm pretty militantly anti-spider but jumping spiders, despite seeming like they were sent from hell to terrify us, are just little furry big-eyed arthro-bros

Then why do our genetic memories compel us to be terrified of them

Even if we are predisposed to be fearful of spiders, so what? Not all spiders are the same, and jumping spiders are certainly 100% harmless to humans of all sizes. Why not work on promoting that experience and rationality override any (often mistaken) primal urges that we have?

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why do our genetic memories compel us to be terrified of them

Even if we are predisposed to be fearful of spiders, so what? Not all spiders are the same, and jumping spiders are certainly 100% harmless to humans of all sizes. Why not work on promoting that experience and rationality override any (often mistaken) primal urges that we have?

Why did we gain those instincts in the first place. What is nature trying to warn us

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if we are predisposed to be fearful of spiders, so what? Not all spiders are the same, and jumping spiders are certainly 100% harmless to humans of all sizes. Why not work on promoting that experience and rationality override any (often mistaken) primal urges that we have?

Why did we gain those instincts in the first place. What is nature trying to warn us

Should we also kill all the other human-tribes then?

I can’t believe how frequently I have to say this to people: instinct is far from reason.

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if we are predisposed to be fearful of spiders, so what? Not all spiders are the same, and jumping spiders are certainly 100% harmless to humans of all sizes. Why not work on promoting that experience and rationality override any (often mistaken) primal urges that we have?

Why did we gain those instincts in the first place. What is nature trying to warn us

That they bite, a very few of them are significantly venomous, and no matter how easy their webs are to find, they don't make good snacks.
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