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Re: Apple Ramps Up R&D Intensity to Pre-iPhone Levels

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

chrisjc wrote: post #68
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #24

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> as willfully ignorant of the Vision Pro as those complaints were of the iPad, and later the Apple Watch and the AirPods These are the evidence of the opposite. Apple's hardware from the 70s and 80s, like the original Macintosh, were something special. NeXTSTEP, the Steve Jobs thing that got rebranded as Mac OS X when Apple bought them, was the first modern OS to be simultaneously good and popular. The iPhone change…

> If the Apple II was the 70s and the Macintosh was the 80s and NeXTSTEP was the 90s and the iPhone was the 2000s, name the thing of this caliber they did in the 2010s. Apple Silicon?

Apple Silicon is slower on the same process node than AMD.

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Post by sho_hn »

astrange wrote: post #70
sho_hn wrote: post #67

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I'm not talking about columnists. Journalists are not people who build things. I'm talking about people who build things and think about what to build next. The option of doing away with the hardware keyboard and going touchscreen-only was always there and always up for discussion, but for the longest time not easy due to the power and performance envelope at the price point. Lots of devices already worked like this…

The novelty in the iPhone wasn't a touchscreen, it was a capacitative multitouch screen and a UI framework that could do their app designs but still at 60fps. Although the last one wasn't purely technical; IIRC Nokia got it, decided it was cool "because it was 60fps", tried to compete just by doing that and failed. > having a proper web browser (which Apple didn't even write themselves) Yeah they did. There wasn't th…

> The novelty in the iPhone wasn't a touchscreen, it was a capacitative multitouch screen and a UI framework that could do their app designs but still at 60fps.

I'd agree with this, but it's also not the narrative I was arguing against :-)

Re: Apple Ramps Up R&D Intensity to Pre-iPhone Levels

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #58
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #57

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> Why weren’t there tons of earbuds that looked like AirPods before the AirPods came out? Two independent things that weren’t linked with a wire that you could put in a charging case? Because making them that way is more expensive. > There was absolutely nothing like them at the time in the category. iPhone: There is now a usable internet-connected general-purpose computer in your pocket. AirPods: We got rid of the p…

> iPhone: There is now a usable internet-connected general-purpose computer in your pocket. AirPods: We got rid of the piece of wire between your earbuds. Most people who have AirPods didn’t have earbuds with the wire. Those who did didn’t wear them like AirPods. The iPhone is a computer in your pocket you interact with through touch. AirPods are computers in your ears you interact with through voice. Especially with…

> the processing power in an AirPod outclasses Apollo 11’s

Apollo 11 was in 1969. It had a 2048 KHz processor. The processing power in a Bluetooth headset from the 90s outclasses Apollo 11's.

> Most people who have AirPods didn’t have earbuds with the wire. Those who did didn’t wear them like AirPods.

Are you really contending that this is a difference of the same magnitude as the iPhone?

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Post by astrange »

thiago_fm wrote: post #10

Money likely spent on crap. Apple is now a really bloated company that barely innovates, and now with plenty of governments breathing on its neck. Just look at how many IPhone models exists nowadays, Steve Jobs would be shocked to see Apple in 2024.

> Just look at how many IPhone models exists nowadays, Steve Jobs would be shocked to see Apple in 2024.

The trick is that there aren't a lot of new iPhone models. Instead they just keep selling the old ones for a while.

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Post by jemmyw »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #30
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #29

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> name the thing of this caliber they did in the 2010s AirPods. It’s a category-defining product, and in pure Apple tradition, a refinement of an existing one.

AirPods are earbuds. They're nice earbuds, but it's hardly the next iPhone.

Urgh AirPods are really annoying, I'm not a fan of their propagation. I would say 50% of folks I work with use them for video calls now. They have some cut in behaviour so you miss the first part of what those people say every time they start talking. They also have a much higher incidence of "sorry, it was using the laptop mic / speakers" and waiting for people fiddling about. If you're not into your audio setup get a wired headset for remote calls please...

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Post by user_7832 »

chx wrote: post #54
MBCook wrote: post #53

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I’m really hoping they crack that nut. I’m not diabetic, but I do wonder what would happen when someone figures it out. All of a sudden you could basically put real time glucose monitors on a huge chunk of the population with all sorts of medical conditions or none at all. What could we accidentally learn from that that no one was ever looking for? The benefits to diabetics are obvious and life changing unless you al…

Trust me my friend, even if you have a CGM the benefits would be gigantic. I can't speak for T1 people who spend their entire lives like this and maybe it gets easier but inserting the CGM sensor, even if you use a local anesthetics is unpleasant and psychologically taxing. Then it interferes with your daily life and more importantly, it interferes with your mental health. Do you need a visual, can-be-felt reminder e…

(T1 here) I agree that applying a CGM is nerve-wracking for a few moments, and can hurt if you accidentally hit a nerve. But I really don’t notice it (much like my spectacles or watch) in everyday life. However, I’ve been using a CGMS for years now, so it’s likely I’m “used to it” by now.

I guess as a T1 it’s much nicer to not poke your finger every few hours which is probably why I love CGMS’es, but if you’re not diabetic I totally get why a non invasive watch would be lovely. Heck, I’d very likely buy an Apple Watch if they actually do it. However I haven’t heard great things with non invasive measuring accuracy unfortunately.

Re: Apple Ramps Up R&D Intensity to Pre-iPhone Levels

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Post by gnicholas »

MBCook wrote: post #53
chx wrote: post #40

If you go back to Steve Jobs' original iPhone speech, the crux of it was: revolutionary user interfaces (mouse, click wheel, multi-touch) enabled revolutionary products (Mac, iPod, iPhone). And while we know the LG Prada shipped with a capacitive touchscreen that's a technicality: LG took the UI of a feature phone, minimally adjusted it for touch and that was it. Meanwhile Apple took their desktop OS and shrunk it to…

I’m really hoping they crack that nut. I’m not diabetic, but I do wonder what would happen when someone figures it out. All of a sudden you could basically put real time glucose monitors on a huge chunk of the population with all sorts of medical conditions or none at all. What could we accidentally learn from that that no one was ever looking for? The benefits to diabetics are obvious and life changing unless you al…

My understanding is that different people react differently to the same foods. For example, some people's glucose spikes after eating bananas, other people's doesn't. It would be great to know this, and other things, about one's self. I've considered doing a trial for a couple days with the foods I normally eat, just to know if any of my common foods are especially bad or good for my particular body.

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Post by voisin »

sho_hn wrote: post #67
chx wrote: post #61

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> Making a touchscreen phone had been the writing on the wall and pretty obvious to many. Really. This reminds of this discussion https://reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/1wdp6n/what_makes_the_o... I opened a decade ago asking "What makes the Oculus different from previous VR?" and the winning answer was pointing out how much the 1994 IBM Simon Smartphone feature list resembled on the surface the iPhone feature list. In…

I'm not talking about columnists. Journalists are not people who build things. I'm talking about people who build things and think about what to build next. The option of doing away with the hardware keyboard and going touchscreen-only was always there and always up for discussion, but for the longest time not easy due to the power and performance envelope at the price point. Lots of devices already worked like this…

> I'm talking about people who build things and think about what to build next.

The market leader in smart phones, BlackBerry (RIM), with some of the best engineering talent in this space anywhere, didn’t see it coming. Their technical co-CEO didn’t believe it in the immediate aftermath of the announcement. Couldn’t imagine how the battery could manage all that. Immediately dismissed it as some sort of trickery.

So… I think you’re wrong on this.

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Post by SllX »

sho_hn wrote: post #67
chx wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Making a touchscreen phone had been the writing on the wall and pretty obvious to many. Really. This reminds of this discussion https://reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/1wdp6n/what_makes_the_o... I opened a decade ago asking "What makes the Oculus different from previous VR?" and the winning answer was pointing out how much the 1994 IBM Simon Smartphone feature list resembled on the surface the iPhone feature list. In…

I'm not talking about columnists. Journalists are not people who build things. I'm talking about people who build things and think about what to build next. The option of doing away with the hardware keyboard and going touchscreen-only was always there and always up for discussion, but for the longest time not easy due to the power and performance envelope at the price point. Lots of devices already worked like this…

I think what you’re forgetting is that a lot of people thought the iPhone would fail because it didn’t have a keyboard, and at the time smartphones were going more towards keyboard-driven devices than touchscreen-driven, and touchscreen more often than not meant touchscreen + stylus.

Apple committed to their own approach.

> having a proper web browser (which Apple didn't even write themselves).

This is just bollocks.

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