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Re: Each Facebook user is monitored by thousands of companies

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I'm in a similar setup for FF on my Mac, but I also have it clear everything on exit. I exit at least every couple of days just to clear things, and sometimes immediately after visiting certain sites just because it makes me feel better while wearing tin foil. It's annoying after every launch causes me to use all of the various 2FAs to log back in, but I just don't trust what all you evil devs have done to the intern…

> annoying after every launch causes me to use all of the various 2FAs In Mac, KeyChain passw manager can store TOTP secret too, so its just three clicks instead of one/two :) Why not using Safari? There is Wipr, not uBO but good enough. And you will get Private Relay.

I've been on FF since before Safari. I've never been a Chrome user. FF is like a nice worn in pair of pants. It just fits.

Re: Each Facebook user is monitored by thousands of companies

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> annoying after every launch causes me to use all of the various 2FAs In Mac, KeyChain passw manager can store TOTP secret too, so its just three clicks instead of one/two :) Why not using Safari? There is Wipr, not uBO but good enough. And you will get Private Relay.

I've been on FF since before Safari. I've never been a Chrome user. FF is like a nice worn in pair of pants. It just fits.

Ha ha! I get it. But today’s FF is slipping to being worse. Lets see if uBO survives Manifest V3. And don't use DoH, I have a bad feeling about it, http cookies inside DoH are undefined thing.

Re: Each Facebook user is monitored by thousands of companies

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I downloaded my FB data and as I predicted, nothing I'm bothered with. It is my common behavior that is ad targeted. Can someone please tell me what data people are so bothered with that Facebook uses to target basic ads? That "Facebook whistleblower" said the company is "profits over people". That people were appalled by that that will always be so funny to me.

Some people such as you have no issues with companies employing mind tricks to manipulate people into buying their goods and services, some people do

Re: Each Facebook user is monitored by thousands of companies

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Couple days ago I logged into Facebook for the first time in about 2-3 years because I wanted to download a video that I had saved there. What a hot mess. I needed to reset my password, but the form was seemingly unresponsive. Then suddenly a message appeared in a dialog popup letting me know that I had been temporarily locked out. I eventually managed to log in. Inside the app, I had a handful of messages from vario…

Wait until you try Marketplace. For something with so much monetization potential, it still looks and feels like it was slapped together by an intern. Using it is an exercise in frustration.

Re: Each Facebook user is monitored by thousands of companies

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Earlier today, this[1] was on the HN front page, a blog post on how Meta processes trillions of serverless functions. All that impressive tech exists for one single reason - massive surveillance at scale. [1] https://read.engineerscodex.com/p/meta-xfaas-serverless-func...

Surveillance isn't the reason. It's a means to a goal, which is to sell people stuff.

You're right, but "selling people stuff" is a secondary source of profit. Surveillance too. The truth is, users become profitable far before they ever pull out a credit card, and the goal isn't the credit card, it's the user itself.

To target an ad for a product, you need an interest-based profile on someone. To build that profile, you need data.

To influence public opinion (as has become so popular for politicians and intelligence departments), or if you want to monetize an emotional reaction (like the NRA or PETA) you need a psychological profile, or a way to extrapolate one. Again, data.

To prosecute crimes, you need communications and location data (this is what most would call "surveillance"). Law enforcement (state and federal), private investigators, state departments are all customers for this. The market for this evidence (both what can and can't be used in court is harvested; look up "evidence laundering") is an unending stream of income, for the same reason as all three of these, and here's why:

If you're Meta, or Google, do you want to be performing this psychological profiling, or scanning every message for "incriminating" keywords, or tracking specific users' locations? Absolutely not. That would put your company at fault. So what do you do? You sell the data itself, unspecified, en masse. The FBI approaches you to implement a service that you can query for real-time location data? Hell no, buddy, that'd threaten the whole company! Go do it on your own servers! Pay for the data and compute it yourself! (Or pay for just enough processing to get what you need without us knowing what you're using it for, which is what op's link is about)

And that's exactly what happens: the data itself becomes the product. Then, the goal is to harvest as much data as you possibly can. That's the business model.

Product sales are not the aim. The people are what is sold.

Re: Each Facebook user is monitored by thousands of companies

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Couple days ago I logged into Facebook for the first time in about 2-3 years because I wanted to download a video that I had saved there. What a hot mess. I needed to reset my password, but the form was seemingly unresponsive. Then suddenly a message appeared in a dialog popup letting me know that I had been temporarily locked out. I eventually managed to log in. Inside the app, I had a handful of messages from vario…

> I couldn't stop thinking to myself about how many smart people work there, and how much money the company has, yet still it was one of the worst online experiences that I've had.

Intellect by itself does not cause good. When will HN understand that? (Never.)

Re: Each Facebook user is monitored by thousands of companies

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Somewhat related.. I recently discovered Facebook "Ad Topics". In my case through Instagram preferences. List of topics is hilariously long and 2/3rds have nothing to do with me. But I guess it does help the sales pitches.. "Are you selling hunting bows? Well if you advertise on Facebook we have audiences of tens of millions interested in 'Bow Hunting'".

Re: Each Facebook user is monitored by thousands of companies

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Couple days ago I logged into Facebook for the first time in about 2-3 years because I wanted to download a video that I had saved there. What a hot mess. I needed to reset my password, but the form was seemingly unresponsive. Then suddenly a message appeared in a dialog popup letting me know that I had been temporarily locked out. I eventually managed to log in. Inside the app, I had a handful of messages from vario…

Wait until you try Marketplace. For something with so much monetization potential, it still looks and feels like it was slapped together by an intern. Using it is an exercise in frustration.

Most of the Facebook site has felt like something "slapped together by an intern" for a long time for me. But yeah, FBM really went above and beyond in that regard the last time I tried using it. It's too bad, because it does have a lot of potential as you said; Craigslist has been mostly ruined by scammers and FB has the advantage that everyone is basically a verified user and not some random person in Nigeria who wants to send you a cashier's check for more than your asking price.

The only thing from FB I've really liked was the Messenger Lite app, and they've destroyed that now. The regular Messenger app still works ok though, but it's very bloated.

Re: Each Facebook user is monitored by thousands of companies

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post #60

Couple days ago I logged into Facebook for the first time in about 2-3 years because I wanted to download a video that I had saved there. What a hot mess. I needed to reset my password, but the form was seemingly unresponsive. Then suddenly a message appeared in a dialog popup letting me know that I had been temporarily locked out. I eventually managed to log in. Inside the app, I had a handful of messages from vario…

> I couldn't stop thinking to myself about how many smart people work there, and how much money the company has, yet still it was one of the worst online experiences that I've had. Intellect by itself does not cause good. When will HN understand that? (Never.)

> Intellect by itself does not cause good.

We aren’t interested in ‘good’, it’s more about the burn rate and the monetisation strategy.

Said mostly sarcastically.

Re: Each Facebook user is monitored by thousands of companies

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post #60

Couple days ago I logged into Facebook for the first time in about 2-3 years because I wanted to download a video that I had saved there. What a hot mess. I needed to reset my password, but the form was seemingly unresponsive. Then suddenly a message appeared in a dialog popup letting me know that I had been temporarily locked out. I eventually managed to log in. Inside the app, I had a handful of messages from vario…

>I couldn't stop thinking to myself about how many smart people work there, and how much money the company has, yet still it was one of the worst online experiences that I've had.

Really feels like the product has been in 'maintenance mode' for a while. Probably the focus in the company has shifted to growing platforms and not declining ones. Once the grandparents are on the platform it dies.

Was it a video you uploaded? Have you considered doing a data request to see if your video is available that way?

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