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What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation

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Re: What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation

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This is an elite boarding school in the Berkshires. Not sure that the cell phone ban is the most important thing in these outcomes and I'd hesitate to draw sweeping generalizations here.

One observation about private v. public schools:

Private schools, perhaps counterintuitively, have greater ability to enforce rules that some parents dislike, than public schools. They can organize around and enforce a general culture in ways that public schools cannot, and this ability increases the more prestigious they are. Families self-select to be generally agreeable to and aligned with the school's culture, and bad fits can simply be sent away. Public schools have to deal with whatever mix of families they happen to serve, period. Private schools are sometimes pointed to as being more-accountable to parents, and that's sort of true, but they also have much greater freedom to tell a loud minority of their "customers" to, frankly, go eff themselves.

An observation of trends I've seen with a limited dataset but that I suspect generalizes pretty well:

Better-off, if you will, parents, or at least those with a "higher-class" cultural background (Fussell's upper-middle and higher—doctors, lawyers, executives, in short) are giving their kids phones later, restricting use more, and are more-amenable to restrictions on phones imposed by schools, than lower-class (Fussell's middle and lower) parents. These factors tend to significantly reduce student phone use in ritzy private schools, "captive" nigh-private-school public schools, and the tip-top of other upper-tier public schools, compared with practically all the rest of the school landscape.

I fully expect this to widen already-large class differences in education.

Re: What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation

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post #58

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I’m trying to figure out what useful action the parent is going to take in this situation.

They sometimes make things worse by showing and causing problems/disruptions for those trying to get control of the situation.

true, but if the police are standing around because they're too scarred, then parents giving them the what for is justified

Re: What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation

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You can still buy a super basic Nokia phone that pretty much only does that, and it lasts like a month of battery - I own one, it's great to carry around in places where you might not want to risk your super expensive smartphone. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-1-77-Inch-Feature-Phone-Singl... I'd happily give this to my own child so they can reach me in emergencies, but there is no risk of them going on TikTok or any…

Then, why didn’t that school Just give them those Nokia phones? Because this is an advertising puff piece for the light phone. I’m going to guarantee you that someone in that company has connections to that school.

I don't know. And maybe you're right - but I'd bet it's the attempt by the school the quell all kinds of complaints from parents like "what if my kid gets suddenly lost on the way home? what then????" by giving them a phone that has some mapping capability, it's just crap - but I guess it will do in an emergency.

Re: What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation

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Pretty wild.. what's the point in even making them go to school if you're just going to let them goof off on their phone all day? Just let them sit around at home watching TikTok until they turn 18 and have to get a minimum wage job

Schools could teach kids to do something useful with their phones so they can use tech to their advantage later in life? How ho you think kids that never learned to responsibly use tech will do in college when they are on their own?

Kids can't even mutiply two numbers and they are supposed to learn the most complex device ever made from school? lol

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post #31

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At my work, there are certain areas that we are not allowed to have any cameras, and that includes all personal cell phones. I have a colleague whose daughter was at school during an active shooter incident, and she was able to use her phone but he was not able to receive her calls or texts. She was not killed, but I am glad she had a cell phone that day, and I wish he had his too.

policy shouldn't be defined by extreme outlier cases

I've run the numbers on "average likelihood of a given student being present during any kind of shooting on school grounds—the overwhelming majority of which aren't the kind of shooting one thinks of when one sees the term 'school shooting', anyway—at any point during 13 years of k-12 school, in the US" and it helped me conclude it's not a thing worth worrying about, even a little. (I do have kids in school)

Re: What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation

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They're expensive. ~300 USD, while the e-ink and design is nice that's a pretty big bill for something that does less than a modern phone that is also cheaper. Previous discussion (2020): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21943649 I think the most cost effective solution is probably buying the cheapest used A12+ iPhone one could find. Factory restore, then setup Assistive Access or parental controls, which can lim…

The price is steep but if I used it every day I could probably justify it. The one thing that I noticed immediately is it seems to still use micro usb. Without usb c it is a non starter, especially at that price.

>Without usb c it is a non starter, especially at that price.

Agreed, didn't notice that! I was also thinking the limited iPhone may be a better route for teens, parents, schools.

Not only for when they break / lose it, but also may be received better socially.

Re: What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation

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An emergency like active shooter, not your child had an accident. During active shooter situations, the school isn't going to call the parents of the students. They have other things to worry about. The kids are calling their parents directly.

> the school isn't going to call the parents of the students Schools have communication plans for exactly this situation. If you have a kid in school, you will be aware that schools have no qualms about communicating directly with parents via automated texts, emails, and phone calls, constantly, about nonemergencies. The volume of communication from schools is overwhelming. Putting out a notification about an active…

an automated text from your school saying there's a situation does absolutely nothing to alleviate the parent's concern. what a disingenuous thought that this is actually helpful in the least.

the parent wants to know if their special snowflake(s) is okay. these automated systems are absolutely not going to tell them that, and aside from that information, anything else is just seen as the school trying to placate people.

Re: What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation

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Maybe I'm out of the loop... smartphones are allowed in the first place? When did that happen? In my high school, cell phones and ipods (at the time) were to be in lockers and turned off during the day. It was an insta-detention if you were seen using one.

What's wild to me is that almost all the individual devices a smartphone represents, not even counting the phone itself, would have been confiscated if used in class, for my generation (and I'm a millennial!)

Flashlight? LOL, they might not even wait for you to use it, just assume there's no way you're not going to do something dumb with it, and take it.

A handheld gaming device? Insta-yoink.

Note-passing? Notes confiscated.

Basically an ordered-from-a-back-of-magazine-ad spy kit of a miniature camera and voice recorder? GONE. And you might be on the way to the office for a chat, and parents called, if you'd actually been using any of it.

A glossy fashion magazine, seen out at any point that's not explicitly totally-free time? In the teacher's desk. (and that's on the tame side of the kind of thing one might be looking at on one's phone...)

A portable mini-TV or small radio? Jesus, of course you can't have that in class.

But smartphones? Nope, they can have those. Which is the exact same as having all those things above, and way more.

It's such a crazily-different direction for policy.

Re: What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation

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You wouldn't believe what an issue this can turn into. Some parents will fight for their kid's right to use cellphones.

This right here. Parents ultimately run schools, and a surprising proportion of them get really pissy if their kids can't have phones in class. Schools aren't letting kids have phones because they want to. My wife used to teach and had multiple parents, over a handful of years, who'd semi-frequently call their kids while they were in class . Just to, like, chat. A lot more would text with them, again, usually just to…

What's worse, in states with voucher systems, parents can remove not just their kid from the school, but their tax dollars too--so the teachers have to tolerate the phones or funding will dry up for the other students who are trying to pay attention.

I think coupling where your kids go to school with where your tax dollars are going severely misunderstands the point of having there be tax dollars for schools in the first place. Having kids shouldn't give you special powers re: how your taxes are used.

Re: What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation

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France banned mobile phone use in Primary and Middle school in 2018 - anyone have data on the impact on educational performance? China followed suit in 2021. I think that is it though for state wide suppression of mobile phone use in the classroom

Worsening Pisa results, but no other data.
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