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Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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Re: Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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Surely this is a mega project: but naively, what if we built say ten parallel railways 10 ft apart and moved cargo ships over the rails? Or this guy only needs to be scaled up 10X to do the job. Not outside the realm of imagination? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter I know the ships are huge and it shouldn’t be feasible but it would be interesting to run the numbers. Edit. Actually if my math is rig…

It apparently was done in ancient Greece. Look up the Diolkos of Corinth.

Re: Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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I'm no engineer, but I would not imagine that the Panamax ships are built to handle that kinda of stress while still loaded with cargo. The ships are designed to have the weight of itself and its cargo spread out pushing out against the displaced water pushing back on the hull rather evenly and not a handful of highly concentrated points.

Ships are made to be drydocked. They get supported on a LOT of blocking. Train cars could copy that. It's otherwise not practical, though.

Ships in drydock are not full of goods.

Re: Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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Surely this is a mega project: but naively, what if we built say ten parallel railways 10 ft apart and moved cargo ships over the rails? Or this guy only needs to be scaled up 10X to do the job. Not outside the realm of imagination? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter I know the ships are huge and it shouldn’t be feasible but it would be interesting to run the numbers. Edit. Actually if my math is rig…

Why not tunnels that don't disrupt and takeover surface environment preventing nature or other infrastructure - and not impacted by weather?

https://www.boringcompany.com

Re: Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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post #5

Surely this is a mega project: but naively, what if we built say ten parallel railways 10 ft apart and moved cargo ships over the rails? Or this guy only needs to be scaled up 10X to do the job. Not outside the realm of imagination? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter I know the ships are huge and it shouldn’t be feasible but it would be interesting to run the numbers. Edit. Actually if my math is rig…

I’m pretty sure once you cede that you’re willing to use the energy required to move a container ships worth of weight from one end of the canal to the other, the cheaper option would be to pump water to refill the locks. Water is easier to transport than ships, and while I don’t think the efficiency of the locks helps much in this context, there might be some clever optimizations… especially if you’re willing to run…

Pump it from where though? It would be easy to pump and reuse the water that already goes through the locks, except that it gets mixed with salt water, so putting it back in the lake would quickly contaminate it.

Re: Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no engineer, but I would not imagine that the Panamax ships are built to handle that kinda of stress while still loaded with cargo. The ships are designed to have the weight of itself and its cargo spread out pushing out against the displaced water pushing back on the hull rather evenly and not a handful of highly concentrated points.

Ships are made to be drydocked. They get supported on a LOT of blocking. Train cars could copy that. It's otherwise not practical, though.

> Ships are made to be drydocked.

Not while fully loaded with thousands of containers.

Re: Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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Surely this is a mega project: but naively, what if we built say ten parallel railways 10 ft apart and moved cargo ships over the rails? Or this guy only needs to be scaled up 10X to do the job. Not outside the realm of imagination? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter I know the ships are huge and it shouldn’t be feasible but it would be interesting to run the numbers. Edit. Actually if my math is rig…

> what if we built say ten parallel railways 10 ft apart and moved cargo ships over the rails? Interesting concept. Never thought of it before. The India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC) has a similar issue. Containers will be offloaded in UAE, then travel via rail through Saudi Arabia and Israel, and then reloaded on to ships in the Mediterranean for a short trip to Greece. Your idea is much more interest…

It's a dumb idea, we already have standardized cargo containers and the technology to load/unload them efficiently. Putting a ship on 10 Train Tracks will require the development of new technology and will make every bridge (weight allowance) and tunnel (the profile would need to be big enough for the whole ship) prohibitively expensive. With normal cargo trains, which are a very efficient and cheap way to transport a lot of goods, you can just use cheap off the shelf stuff.

Also transporting ships with their huge tanks of heavy oil is a huge health and safety hazard.

Re: Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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This is Krasnoyarsk dam. It is located in small town of Divnogorsk some 40km up the Yenisei river. I was raised in Krasnoyarsk and have seen this with my own eyes.

Thank you! Can you remember how it did sound when in motion?

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Re: Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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post #73
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Surely this is a mega project: but naively, what if we built say ten parallel railways 10 ft apart and moved cargo ships over the rails? Or this guy only needs to be scaled up 10X to do the job. Not outside the realm of imagination? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter I know the ships are huge and it shouldn’t be feasible but it would be interesting to run the numbers. Edit. Actually if my math is rig…

Why not tunnels that don't disrupt and takeover surface environment preventing nature or other infrastructure - and not impacted by weather? https://www.boringcompany.com

Because it's stupidly expensive boring a Tunnel when you can just do it on the surface. Also Railway lines take up considerably less space than every Street. Weather also rarely impacts rail

Re: Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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Surely this is a mega project: but naively, what if we built say ten parallel railways 10 ft apart and moved cargo ships over the rails? Or this guy only needs to be scaled up 10X to do the job. Not outside the realm of imagination? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter I know the ships are huge and it shouldn’t be feasible but it would be interesting to run the numbers. Edit. Actually if my math is rig…

There's been a rail line there for a century. It's just being improved. It's the port facilities that need major expansion.

Why lift ships? Containers are designed to be easily loaded, unloaded, and carried on various vehicles.

Re: Mexico building rail rival as water shortages drain Panama Canal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not tunnels that don't disrupt and takeover surface environment preventing nature or other infrastructure - and not impacted by weather? https://www.boringcompany.com

Because it's stupidly expensive boring a Tunnel when you can just do it on the surface. Also Railway lines take up considerably less space than every Street. Weather also rarely impacts rail

Maybe on the surface (pun intended) it appears stupidly expensive in comparison, but I bet if you actually put a value to all of the positives then the cost would at minimum be at par.

With tunnels you can also go 3D, you could go 100 tunnels deep - stacked - increasing capacity on the same line as needed; something Elon points out as part of the traffic congestion problem is that cities went 3D (skyscrapers) but traffic did not.

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