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Re: Cloudflare CEO responds to viral termination video

#71
The problem with judging any of this is the same as knowing your history lessons and sources.

All we've really got to go on is Brittney Peaches account and Matthew Princes account and neither are going to be reliable sources. We'll never know if what Brittney Peach said is reliable and we'll never know if what Matthew Prince says is true.

Re: Cloudflare CEO responds to viral termination video

#72
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tweet says they fired ~40 people for performance, not because of bad fit, which the video seems to corroborate.

Performance in the role they were hired for , which is person/role fit. The response spotlights that the person might be "really, really great" somewhere else, possibly in some other role. This is one of the reasons @eastdakota's response is really well done — he doesn't say a single bad thing about the person who (unprofessionally) shared video of the event, but instead owns that the company doesn't/can't hire perfe…

> acknowledges the various ways in which they failed this person during the layoff process

Acknowledgements are worthless at best, and insulting at worst. "Yes I agree we stabbed this person and woof, we should not have." The second and necessary part of any apology is making things right, which in this case is some kind of compensation and a change in policy. None of that happened. It's the definition of unjust.

It's just exhausting to watch CEO after CEO come out and be like, "look I/we goofed and we have to fire a lot of people, I take full responsibility but in truth am doing nothing and expect no consequences, except for our stock price to increase" and for people to universally say, "man they handled that perfectly" when they essentially just copy/paste Mark Zuckerberg's words. What a joke.

Re: Cloudflare CEO responds to viral termination video

#73
It's obvious this company has zero care or compassion for it's employees. Their company culture starts with the CEO and co/founder Matthew Prince and he doesn't have the slightest clue of what that is. When you lead a company your primary role is to lead and care for the employees and in return profits will follow. Matthew has no leadership skills, his HR Department has no leadership skills. This will eventually be the eventual downfall of this mediocre company run by a less than mediocre CEO. Brittney should have chosen a better company to work for, starting by doing a little better background research on the company she chose to work for.

Re: Cloudflare CEO responds to viral termination video

#74
post #42

The first time I read Prince's response, I felt it was OK-ish with some problems. However after a second reading, I have decided that it's terrible. 1. He starts by trying to minimize the issue instead of apologizing talking about how small the number of employees they fired relative to their total department size. I want to know how many people were fired vs. retained over the past 60 days. 2. Prince then goes compl…

well written...

Re: Cloudflare CEO responds to viral termination video

#75
post #42

The first time I read Prince's response, I felt it was OK-ish with some problems. However after a second reading, I have decided that it's terrible. 1. He starts by trying to minimize the issue instead of apologizing talking about how small the number of employees they fired relative to their total department size. I want to know how many people were fired vs. retained over the past 60 days. 2. Prince then goes compl…

My perspective on this kind of things is that there's no win from responding to it. People were being fired. They will be angry. There is no response that would make it better (of course, unless you give them more money).

You miss the whole point here...

Re: Cloudflare CEO responds to viral termination video

#76
post #71

The problem with judging any of this is the same as knowing your history lessons and sources. All we've really got to go on is Brittney Peaches account and Matthew Princes account and neither are going to be reliable sources. We'll never know if what Brittney Peach said is reliable and we'll never know if what Matthew Prince says is true.

She made a video of the whole conversation??? What else do you need to make a decision?? You heard both sides, take a position, (by the way, Milk Toast is not a position)....

Re: Cloudflare CEO responds to viral termination video

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scroll to the top up the Tweet or click here: https://twitter.com/SMB_Attorney/status/1745609324544536778

Thanks for the link. Not sure what was the point of her arguing though. Just for the Tik Tok video? It's not like you will argument yourself out of being terminated. I also find her argument forced. "Just because I haven't closed anything, it doesn't mean my performance hasn't been good", that's nonsense, it's sales, performance is valued on sales. Not closing a single sale in 5 months does not qualify as good perfor…

You obviously have no clue as to the point of her video or the companies response. They could not give her an exact reason for the termination, which every employee deserves. Even the CEO admits what a crappy job they did, but all you got out of it was she was trying to argue out of being terminated. I think you should apply for a job at the company as you are great management matterall for this company...

Re: Cloudflare CEO responds to viral termination video

#78
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scroll to the top up the Tweet or click here: https://twitter.com/SMB_Attorney/status/1745609324544536778

The fact the she posted this video to TikTok tells me that Cloudfare did a good job laying her off. Asking those questions is fine, recording and posting on TikTok, or any social media platform, is not. I hope this doesn’t may her unemployable.

Hey great idea you have there, let's keep crappy companies a secret so they can screw future employees...I very seriously doubt you care one bit for her employability. By the way has anyone ever told you would have made a great "Lemming".....

Re: Cloudflare CEO responds to viral termination video

#79
post #76
post #71

The problem with judging any of this is the same as knowing your history lessons and sources. All we've really got to go on is Brittney Peaches account and Matthew Princes account and neither are going to be reliable sources. We'll never know if what Brittney Peach said is reliable and we'll never know if what Matthew Prince says is true.

She made a video of the whole conversation??? What else do you need to make a decision?? You heard both sides, take a position, (by the way, Milk Toast is not a position)....

Exactly. Much of the debate is about how HR handled this so poorly and that's what we can all hear on the video. It's not really about whether her performance was worthy of getting fired. Nor is it about the Cloudflare bottom line.

Re: Cloudflare CEO responds to viral termination video

#80
I see this a lot in tech companies. Amazingly skilled engineers, people that convert ideas into code quickly but completely lack interpersonal skills and are emotionally very immature. The response could not be worse (well, in fact it could... but nevermind). Not humble, not compassionate, kind of arrogant and no clear action plan.

Well, Cloudflare entered the red flag companies list. As employer and as product.

Personally I would expect no response at all or a response admitting they were in fault, admit the failure from top down management and set some concrete measures to be taken.

In the end companies - still - depend on people. Big image damage!

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