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The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by izzydata »

dartos wrote: post #14
tenebrisalietum wrote: post #2

> The internet has been broken in a fundamental way. It is no longer a repository of people communicating with people; increasingly, it is just a series of machines communicating with machines. I mean, it always has been on its lowest layers. The "is this incoming data from the Internet originated by a human being" problem hasn't really been solved, and is probably not truly solveable. It probably wasn't a good idea…

It doesn’t need to be solved before as most internet users could easily identify algorithmically generated stuff and stop spreading it, but not so anymore. Maybe one day we’ll all be able to “smell” ai generate text easily, but we’re not there yet

We could also abandon the internet as a place to interact with people and go back to meat space. The internet can be a place exclusively for doing work such as filing taxes and paying bills, etc..

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by soared »

TrackerFF wrote: post #65

Makes me wonder how the advertisement industry is going to cope with the ever-growing influx of non-human users. What happens when the conversion rates plummet to zero? Maybe I'm cynic, but a completely walled-off / paid internet doesn't seem too unrealistic. You'll have to pay a subscription to every website you want to visit. On one side you have the open internet wasteland, filled to the brim with AI bots / genera…

AI solves that problem - it’s pretty easy to look at behavioral data and identify low v high quality users. Optimize towards what the AI thinks is users likely to convert and the problem Is solved.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by lacrimacida »

novagameco wrote: post #54
red_admiral wrote: post #27

At the end of the day, ads exist to make money, and until the bots have credit cards that means money from humans. Google etc. will notice it in their bottom line if there's suddenly a lot more "engagement" or traffic in some area but none of that converts to humans spending dollars. Google will start dealing with this problem when it starts appearing in their budget in big enough numbers. The tech layoffs we're hear…

AI is generating content, not consuming it. If people are easily duped by fake or bad products with advertisements or content generated by AI (which, they are) then this will continue to drive revenue for Google. The only reason Google dislikes SEO manipulation is because it's a way for sites to get top real estate on google without paying for the promoted results; the quality of the product doesn't matter to them It…

If AI is good at faking content what stops its use for faking consumtion/engagement. In my mind that’s the next logical step in the internet enshitification.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by MrsPeaches »

Google ≠ the internet.

This reads more like a rant against Google’s search product.

Yes, Google might go under due to AI (Clayton says, thank you and goodbye) but that doesn’t mean the internet as a whole is doomed.

To be frank, the internet is already awash with dogshit. It’s doing pretty well so far.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by dartos »

izzydata wrote: post #71
dartos wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t need to be solved before as most internet users could easily identify algorithmically generated stuff and stop spreading it, but not so anymore. Maybe one day we’ll all be able to “smell” ai generate text easily, but we’re not there yet

We could also abandon the internet as a place to interact with people and go back to meat space. The internet can be a place exclusively for doing work such as filing taxes and paying bills, etc..

That sounds awful.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by dartos »

visarga wrote: post #21
dartos wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t need to be solved before as most internet users could easily identify algorithmically generated stuff and stop spreading it, but not so anymore. Maybe one day we’ll all be able to “smell” ai generate text easily, but we’re not there yet

> allegorically generated stuff mmm, I want some of that allegorical stuff, I like symbols

Damn autocorrect. I’ll fix it

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by 7thaccount »

novagameco wrote: post #3

This is also known as the dead internet theory, which sounded a bit stupid before 2023: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory > The dead Internet theory is an online conspiracy theory that asserts that the Internet now consists mainly of bot activity and automatically generated content that is manipulated by algorithmic curation, marginalizing organic human activity. Proponents of the theory believe thes…

Need to bring back Encarta ;)

Jk. Wikipedia is much larger and better as an encyclopedia.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by tomjen3 »

dom96 wrote: post #57

The next Google's killer feature will be the ability to filter out AI generated content and promote content that is truly written by humans.

Honestly I don't see Google having any killer feature left. The next killer feature is AI to do search, which MS is doing, but Google is failling at so hard they had to fiddle with their own demo.

Why do a web search to hope to get answers to my question, when I can have an AI write me a custom article that actually answers my question?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by Kye »

ksherlock wrote: post #24

30 years in the making. On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog -- Peter Steiner / The New Yorker, July 5, 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet%2C_nobody_know...

Dogs make some of the best clients for paying creative work.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by novagameco »

lacrimacida wrote: post #73
novagameco wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is generating content, not consuming it. If people are easily duped by fake or bad products with advertisements or content generated by AI (which, they are) then this will continue to drive revenue for Google. The only reason Google dislikes SEO manipulation is because it's a way for sites to get top real estate on google without paying for the promoted results; the quality of the product doesn't matter to them It…

If AI is good at faking content what stops its use for faking consumtion/engagement. In my mind that’s the next logical step in the internet enshitification.

You don't need AI to commit advertising fraud; publishers already do so. Detecting fraud is usually about checking what IP range does a request come from: one allocated to consumer internet, or one allocated to cloud providers like AWS. All the ad bidder usually sees is a JSON payload with information about the user agent and some demographic information about the user. You can also look up user ID info against a user graph you bought from a data broker and if you've never seen them before decide that they may be fraudulent. Ad fraud isn't particularly sophisticated. I used to run queries against our bidder and would find many hundreds of requests coming from a single AWS IP within a given time frame
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