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Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions

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Layoffs are always counter-productive as going forward employees take fewer risks, to evade being the one laid off. Layoffs kill innovation.

This is patently false. Tons of empirical evidence of organizations that have improved and innovated much more effectively. The world’s most valuable company comes to mind.

The guy is talking about slow dead. The kind of company dead IBM or Oracle? are facing since decades.

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TINA when CPI inflation (in the UK) is has been 18% in just 2 years.

> TINA when CPI inflation (in the UK) is has been 18% in just 2 years. The UK inflation rate was 3.9 percent in November 2023, down from 4.6 percent in the previous month. Between September 2022 and March 2023, the UK experienced seven months of double-digit inflation which peaked at 11.1 percent in October 2022. https://www.statista.com/statistics/306648/inflation-rate-co...

I can't tell from the context of your comment whether you believe the monthly inflation figures are inflation that happened in that month (the "one month's worth of inflation was X%") or if those are annualized figures (the "one month's measure of an annualized rate of inflation").

If you are of the belief that the monthly inflation figures "stack", you are saying inflation is much higher than the 18% in 2 years that GP reported.

If you are not of that belief, then the figures you cite are fairly consistent with the 2 year rise in prices being in the +18% neighborhood.

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post #35

My firm made billions last year too and just laid off hundreds of engineers (a decent %) Some of the best engineers, those that I respected the most, went. People who make no sense. After last year's layoffs they told us they were "done" and it was "all behind us". Last year then turned out to a better year financially than 2022 (we have access to the top line numbers) You can't trust anything anyone above you in the…

Management is like a guy who wants to get laid.

So, all guys

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post #24

That's bad news for the IT jobs market. The big tech companies are firing people - those people will have no problem finding another job, but that's a job taken away from more average folks. Combined with high interest rates, that prevent businesses from starting new projects financed through credit. Also ChatGPT and other AIs increasing developers, artists, etc. productivity - so fewer people can do as much work. Pr…

Aren't googlers famously burnt out and only know how to use Google products because of dogfooding? I don't mean to demean the people just laid off, surely some of them at least know enough to operate other software suites, but hasn't this been identified as a common problem?

Don't know about burnout, the dogfooding is very real though.

OTOH, they're pretty smart.

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The masks have finally fallen. Vote with your labor and be willing to change immediately jobs (that is why remote is great). If you did not like what the manager said in a random meeting quit on the spot, find another job online. No more notice courtesies. It's gonna be great.

There's going to be no tech jobs in America is what's going to happen. That's where this is headed.

Yeah this is what Amazon said about warehouse employees and now they have to pay them $25 per hour and offer free tuition programs in addition to fat sign up bonuses.

Workers have the power. They just need to remember it.

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post #64

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I don’t think you can generalize from one manager or even a team of management to all managers in every company. But still your point about the absurd uncertainty of big company roles, even under glowing performance gauntlets as you so aptly say is well taken. you highlight a paradox between the values the company espouses, and the ones they actually keep. In where it appears that, no loyalty is returned to the emplo…

Wait until your manager is laid off and you're talking to them afterward. This has happened to me twice in my career and both times its like you're talking to a whole different person. In my cynical opinion, being that different person is the number 1 trait companies look for when selecting managers

How different were they (your managers) before and after being laid off?

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post #19

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> employees take fewer risks Like going to the masseur during working hours?

Like working on things for internal visibility and ad revenue, not because it’s a good idea

That is an issue of maligned incentives, not layoffs. This community is utterly insane sometimes, and I say that as a staunch unionist. This is literally Google, a company with an insanely large number of engineers, doing an insanely large number of different things, due to massive and clearly-net-bad-for-society consolidation, and there’ll still be hoards of people that’ll claim that the layoffs were the wrong thing to do.

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post #39

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I wonder what the reality is regarding Pixel's success; they lost me as a customer this year after it turns out the "free" Pixel 2 watch is mostly a paper weight because Fitbit and its new unified Google account requirement doesn't support Workspace custom domains. I pay for Workspaces, I paid for the device(s), but the penny has finally dropped in regards to their real motivations, they can't allow Workspaces to min…

Pissed me off when I realised you could use not Nest cameras nor doorbell if you have a Google Workspace account. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Cannot use them with a Google workspace account? Or cannot use them if you merely have a workspace account?

The former seems like it might be reasonable (and I wouldn't want to lock a piece of home infrastructure to a workspace account anyway); the latter seems utterly insane.

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#79
post #35

My firm made billions last year too and just laid off hundreds of engineers (a decent %) Some of the best engineers, those that I respected the most, went. People who make no sense. After last year's layoffs they told us they were "done" and it was "all behind us". Last year then turned out to a better year financially than 2022 (we have access to the top line numbers) You can't trust anything anyone above you in the…

Hopefully cyberpunk will get an inflow out of this situation. Don't ever trust corporations, even if they promise not to be evil, Lol

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#80

AI has increased productivity which might be a reason for it

I feel I am one of those developers that codes 100 times faster since ai tools came out. I was not slow before by the way. But now I can take a well defined interface and class example, ask gpt4 for a new well defined variant, and out it comes. one tweak and a test later its done.

Some things that would have taken me weeks take days. And some things that used to take days take 1-3 hours.

Novel work can't yet be automated. But... most of the work I do is not novel, and theres files and files of preexisting context for copilot to consume.

As for this effect being widespread and noticed enough to be related to the firing. I dont think its the case.

The people I work with don't seem to get nearly as much out of the tools as I do, and not for lack of trying. They're constantly using the tools too. Even if companies are considerably more productice with the tools, I do not think management would have been attuned enough to performance and costd to have instigated layoffs from it.

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