At 5:20 in this video https://youtu.be/7JNXghzzaZc?t=320 they show it offers a 240 MHz wide channel option in the 5 GHz space. What a mess. I'd say that kinda makes sense for a APAP bridge use case out in the middle of nowhere but you'd be better off using a 320 MHz channel in the 6 GHz space with this AP or an AP with more than 2x2.
UniFi U7 Pro
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Re: UniFi U7 Pro
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting. Did that change at some point in the past? I'd seen reports from folks suggesting that you were stuck either using the cloud management bits or using their app, and that a plain local web connection didn't work. Does Ubiquity equipment work entirely with a local web connection now, with no app or cloud, for all their functionality (except, obviously, cloud management functionality)?
The answer depends on which piece of equipment, usually by product family. More and more is getting the cloud push over time though.
Ah. That kind of variability is the kind of thing that makes me want to avoid the entire brand.
Any recommendations for comparable equipment that doesn't have any kind of push towards cloud or app?
Re: UniFi U7 Pro
#73I don't have any Ubiquity stuff, and I'm not sure I want any, but I have an open mind. Can anyone here answer some of my questions?
1) Is the "Cloud Gateway" required?
2) It seems that the required UnFi Network software uses a subscription pricing model. Are there other options?
3) The 2.5GbE POE ports would seem to be a bottleneck. Will they be adopting the (older) 10GbE POE standard anytime soon?
Re: UniFi U7 Pro
#74At 5:20 in this video https://youtu.be/7JNXghzzaZc?t=320 they show it offers a 240 MHz wide channel option in the 5 GHz space. What a mess. I'd say that kinda makes sense for a AP AP bridge use case out in the middle of nowhere but you'd be better off using a 320 MHz channel in the 6 GHz space with this AP or an AP with more than 2x2.
Did I understand the video correctly, or is the U7 product page wrong? The video says the U7 doesn't do 6e, but the U7 product page says it does 6GHz, which implies that it does.
Re: UniFi U7 Pro
#75I don't have any Ubiquity stuff, and I'm not sure I want any, but I have an open mind. Can anyone here answer some of my questions? 1) Is the "Cloud Gateway" required? 2) It seems that the required UnFi Network software uses a subscription pricing model. Are there other options? 3) The 2.5GbE POE ports would seem to be a bottleneck. Will they be adopting the (older) 10GbE POE standard anytime soon?
1. No but you do need to run the controller somewhere. It doesn't need to be run 24/7. I used to run it from a windows machine occasionally but its more convenient to have it running all the time on raspberrypi or something.
2. There is no subscription that I'm aware of
3. Good question its a question many have been asking of the U-6Pro and U-6E. Their switching hardware also has limited support for 10GbE RJ-45.
Re: UniFi U7 Pro
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's kind of strange for me that the most secure out of the box wifi router I could find was made in China by a Hong Kong based company. The new one comes with 2 2.5 slots fwiw.
How in the world do you know it’s secure?
Yeah I don't trust the firmware they come with. It's some customised variant of OpenWRT, but I replace it with vanilla immediately. At least this is very easy (simply upload the new firmware in the web interface, no serial port or TFTP shenanigans necessary).
FWIW I don't trust the OEM firmware of any router. They're all a mix of crap, some intentional, some not.
Re: UniFi U7 Pro
#77I’m curious about the 2.5 Gbps interface, which isn’t even half the theoretical max of a single connection (~5.6 Gbps) and far from the theoretical AP Max (~36 Gbps). I guess they don’t have any PoE 10Gbps switches. Edit: Turns out they do have one. [0] [0] https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-switching/produc...
You never get close to the theoretical maximum throughput of modern WiFi radios. Check out the review of one of the fastest 6E radios: https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/li... The highest throughput they can get is still short of 2.5G even when combining all three bands, and that's in controlled laboratory conditions. In the real world you'll get much less. 10G wired ethernet is significantly m…
While I generally agree that in the real world you never get close to the theoretical max bandwidth, it is worth pointing out that 7 is significantly faster than 6E, so in laboratory condition you will definitely be limited by the 2.5 GbE bottleneck. With a single MIMO stream WiFi 7 provides 2882 Mbit/s (320 MHz or 160+160 MHz channel, 4096-QAM, 5/6 coding) vs WiFi 6 which provides only 1201 Mbit/s (160 MHz channel, 1024-QAM, 5/6 coding). So a single MIMO stream can exceed the 2.5 GbE capacity, and multiple MIMO streams would exceed even further.
Re: UniFi U7 Pro
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, given how disappointing the rest of their AP lineup performs in real world scenarios (from my anecdotal experience, ofc), it won't need more than 2.5 GbE. Probably barely exceeds 1 Gbps.
I'm pulling ~600 Mbps with their WiFi 6 offering. Feels like with enough clients on WiFi 7 it shouldn't be that hard to saturate 2.5 GbE.
I'm at 1200 Mbps with my tp-link AX55 wifi 6... $130 on amazon...
Re: UniFi U7 Pro
#79I’m curious about the 2.5 Gbps interface, which isn’t even half the theoretical max of a single connection (~5.6 Gbps) and far from the theoretical AP Max (~36 Gbps). I guess they don’t have any PoE 10Gbps switches. Edit: Turns out they do have one. [0] [0] https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-switching/produc...
> and far from the theoretical AP Max (~36 Gbps) How'd you come to 36 Gbps? 2.4: 688 Mbps 5: 2882 Mbps 6: 5765 Mbps That only comes to 9.3 Gbps, and if you ever get half that in goodput you're having a hell of a good day. I wouldn't expect higher speed interfaces on such a low end (albeit modern) AP.
Got it from there: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/wirele...
Re: UniFi U7 Pro
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
At the time I looked I couldn't find a Wifi 6E Access Point significantly cheaper than $279. Have you?
There's plenty that are around the $130 level, like Google Nest Wifi. Plus, the U6 Enterprise is only an Access Point, it's not the full router. It only connect your wifi to your Unifi network.
Sure, it's just an AP, it connects wifi to you network. But there's no requirement to use unifi for the rest of your network. Personally I'm happy to trust ubiquiti with my AP, but not with my router.