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Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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All of the media clouds that did not include telephony, were always bad business cases, sometimes got repeatedly sold and resold like a proverbial hot potato, see TokBox.

Twilio did include telephony and was originally built as telephony-only provider, so it really stood out and was a lot more sustainable as a business than anybody else.

But, importance of telephony is falling. When was the last time you dialed-in to a Zoom conference? Without that, what's left of telephony? Just the 2FA SMSes.

I believe long term, providers like Twilio will become very thin layers of indirection to aggregate together underlying phone operator services, and will be mostly owner by those phone operators themselves, like Vonage now owns Nexmo, Twilio's direct competitor. Nexmo's API makes a lot more sense than Twilio's by the way, and is a true pleasure to use.

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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The decline of Twilio's position has been as pretty clear for the last 18 months now, and has been a topic of conversation longer than that. Twilio never had the margins or control of their environment to nearly the degree you need to have in order to maintain software monopoly levels of growth over time.

Most of Twilio's business has been built on reselling network access purchased via SMS consolidators. These are companies who, decades ago, got their hardware installed inside the networks of the major phone carriers. This allows them direct access to send/receive SMSs. Twilio never really tried to own the network layer and these companies continued to demand higher and higher tolls for access. Short codes are a very good example of this. Twilio spent a lot of time and money trying to sew up access to those short codes.

On top of all that, high volume customers would move directly to these consolidators. Sometimes Twilio would keep some portion of the business if the sender used a round robin model to distribute sends, but often they didn't. OpenMarket and a handful of others were the goto providers at scale.

Add on to this the overall decline of the utility of SMS. Even as SMS volumes increased, they have not increased at the same rate as messaging overall. ie: other channels like iMessage and WhatsApp continue to pull volumes.

Cue Twilio's attempt to go up market. Flex and the purchase of Sendgrid were the best examples of this. Could CPaaS work for Twilio as a business model? I think we've seen so many fits and starts with the Flex product line and the integration of Sendgrid that it seemed like perhaps buying their way in to that market wasn't panning out.

Finally, as seen in the last year, the culture just seems to have gone off the rails at some point. [1] I don't know Jeff, but my respect for him is sky high. I've read all his writing over the years and he's been hugely influential for an entire generation of founders.

Unfortunately this seems like a bit of a hasty departure. I hope it isn't, but the choice of replacement CEO screams caretaker-CEO rather than shrewd strategic move.

Another commenter mentioned Stripe [2] and how they get a lot of credit for advancing DevTools. I agree that Twilio did it first and I think paved the way. Jeff Lawson and Twilio deserve more credit. "Ask your developer" was not a small thing at all.

I also think Stripe very likely is in a very similar position, but they are earlier in their cycle and they've avoided the scrutiny of being a public company. Credit card processors are gatekeepers and fully dominate in their markets. Stripe serves a purpose for them and dramatically improves access to their networks via great tooling and abstractions, but there is still a fixed cost toll to pay and what that toll is cannot be static for interminable time. Is Stripe in the "Commerce" market like Twilio is in the "Communications" market, or are they in the "payments" market, like Twilio is in the "SMS" market? (or somesuch)

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36382361 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38913134

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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Hats off to a legend. Twilio was The Beatles to the devtools space. They defined modern devrel and the bottom-up/PLG GTM motion. He also disproved would-be investors who said developers would never pay for an API; in fact they’d prefer that to building something only to get rug-pulled when a company decided their free API was no longer strategic for them.

And while you hear a lot about ruthless but effective asshole CEOs, Jeff happens to be a brilliant executive and a great human all at the same time.

True visionary and 1 of 1.

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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I used twilio for years until in August of 2023 they started blocking all my text messages, then they wanted you to describe what you're using it for and you had to pay money to fill out a form to tell them what you're using the text messages for.... then they would deny that and then you basically can't use twilio, or pay them to fill out the form again so they can deny you again.... This is for outbound SMS (paymen…

The blocking was 100% not Twilio’s fault it was 100% bad actors and pressure from congress. Also we have three major carriers now in the US they needed to act fast in August since congress was going to go back I session in September to force this. So the carriers wanted to be able to say to congress see we are already taking care of the spam issue … see https://www.campaignregistry.com/. The single monopoly in charge of the regulations

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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The new CEO: > Shipchandler has over 25 years of experience growing businesses and driving financial performance across global, public organizations. Prior to Twilio, Khozema spent over two decades at GE where he drove operating excellence in GE’s high tech aviation division, plus accelerated growth in the Middle East region. I wouldn't be too enthused about him running a software-focused company. His experience yell…

As an Indian-American, I'm weirdly elated that Indian-Americans can now be thought of as "generic businessmen" (at least in tech).

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

#77
What a great run. I remember the IPO party in 2016, very early in my career, and being in disbelief that a texting API was used by so many people. It was my first time writing code for systems that operated at _real scale_. While the last few years have been a bit rocky, you can't understate the impact that jeffiel had on the developer tools ecosystem.

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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I worked at Twilio for nearly 10 years and it's hard to overstate what a gift it was to work there and see Jeff operate as CEO up-close. He created an environment where (at our best) we could have fun doing work that had a real impact, and we could it with people we enjoyed doing the work with. He pushed us to be creative to authentically empower and inspire developers. Wanna build a video game that teaches developer…

It's also why George Hu left Twilio. Because Jeff wanted to be a celebrity CEO, and it was to the detriment of the company. All of Twilio's growth (as a public company) happened on George's watch. I don't think it's a coincidence that well after George left, on Jeff's watch - they had to do 3 different layoff for a total of ~24% of their entire public company being let go. Note: former senior level Twilio employee, p…

Did any of those layoffs coincide with the global layoffs?

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stock price has been lackluster unfortunately. I’m not sure as to why.

I'm somewhat on top of the stock, here's my not financial advice take: 1. Growth rate slowed such that valuations had to come down (went from inevitable overtaking of Salesforce in size, to decades of growth required) 2. Environment -- Cashflow negative meaning another raise was required without fiscal controls and in a high interest environment that's really tough. A return to office end of covid anxiety meant the C…

A few other things that could contribute to a slowing growth rate:

1. People build software differently now. There's not as much reliance on text messages (fewer phone apps build built, 2fa via phone is considered dangerous, etc)

2. Gig economy is stabilizing. There was a huge increase in new companies for years, but at this point it feels like we've stalled on new innovations in that space (while a lot of VC-subsidized ones have faded out)

3. There's way more regulations on spam (good for us, bad for Twilio). I think Twilio did as good a job of avoiding spam as anyone could reasonably expect, but the barrier to entry to using Twilio for even reasonable projects now involves the government. Plus with the crackdown on spam (good!), a portion of their business has likely been affected.

Re: Jeff Lawson steps down as CEO of Twilio

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I used twilio for years until in August of 2023 they started blocking all my text messages, then they wanted you to describe what you're using it for and you had to pay money to fill out a form to tell them what you're using the text messages for.... then they would deny that and then you basically can't use twilio, or pay them to fill out the form again so they can deny you again.... This is for outbound SMS (paymen…

> I used twilio for years until in August of 2023 they started blocking all my text messages,

New telco industry texting requirements came into play. In short, US biz are required to register with The Campaign Registry and pay regular fees if they want to do any (as in 1+) software text comms.

It can be onerous for not-large biz. Twillo took point early-on (inserting themselves into the administration, IIRC) and Twillo then got a lot of heat from their users - even tho the requirements originated from the telcos.

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