I do find it entertaining to watch the creative world struggle against this unstoppable force. It's the Luddites and the mechanical knitting machines of the early 19th century all over again. The human race never changes. It will undoubtedly end the same way.
Database of artists used to train Midjourney AI garners criticism
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#72I get why artists are trying to stop them, but this battle has already been lost. These tools have been out too long, open source models proliferate freely, and jurisdictions that don’t care about IP law will continue publishing these models. By the time it works it’s way through the courts the situation will be even worse.
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Re: Database of artists used to train Midjourney AI garners criticism
#73I do find it entertaining to watch the creative world struggle against this unstoppable force. It's the Luddites and the mechanical knitting machines of the early 19th century all over again. The human race never changes. It will undoubtedly end the same way.
It's not the same thing. These are people who strived their whole lives to learn to draw and paint and make something of their own. It's not just their livelihood being stolen, it's their own work. They aren't saying not to use generative AI to make art, they are saying they don't want their art to be used to train it.
Artists are still needed to make input for AI, they aren't completely replaced by a machine.
Re: Database of artists used to train Midjourney AI garners criticism
#74I do find it entertaining to watch the creative world struggle against this unstoppable force. It's the Luddites and the mechanical knitting machines of the early 19th century all over again. The human race never changes. It will undoubtedly end the same way.
It's really easy, "unstoppable" even, to send pirated music files over the internet. It sure was fun to have free music. And yet Napster was sued out of existence, and now the vast majority of people who listen to music pay for it.
And it's way harder to run a pirate AI datacenter than it is to set up a torrent tracker.
Laws will be written, license fees will be paid, and AI will continue to develop but with proper compensation.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used to agree with this, but there's been research coming out of Google that has altered my opinion. Specifically, Google's gotten rather good at making AI spit out unaltered training set data[0]. This is only possible if the AI is remembering large portions of the original trained-on works, which would make the weights infringing. [0] In the most egregious case, they found that just asking ChatGPT to repeat a word…
I'm kind of confused - you've claimed that Google's AI was broken, but cite an anecdote over ChatGPT? Regardless, even if these cases did happen often enough, it's erroneous to assume that this is something universal (i.e. can be applied to all generative AI models) or intentional. Said models are vastly smaller than the sizes of their training datasets, so it's more or less impossible for all the data to be stored v…
There has been successful prompt engineering attempts to force GPT-based models to regurgitate original dataset texts texts texts texts texts texts as for example Wikipedia is a free-content online encyclopedia, written and maintained by a community of volunteers, collectively known as Wikipedians, through open colla--
Re: Database of artists used to train Midjourney AI garners criticism
#76I do find it entertaining to watch the creative world struggle against this unstoppable force. It's the Luddites and the mechanical knitting machines of the early 19th century all over again. The human race never changes. It will undoubtedly end the same way.
It's really easy, "unstoppable" even, to send pirated music files over the internet. It sure was fun to have free music. And yet Napster was sued out of existence, and now the vast majority of people who listen to music pay for it. And it's way harder to run a pirate AI datacenter than it is to set up a torrent tracker. Laws will be written, license fees will be paid, and AI will continue to develop but with proper c…
>now the vast majority of people who listen to music pay for it.
Well not really, it's just freely available online.
Re: Database of artists used to train Midjourney AI garners criticism
#77I do find it entertaining to watch the creative world struggle against this unstoppable force. It's the Luddites and the mechanical knitting machines of the early 19th century all over again. The human race never changes. It will undoubtedly end the same way.
It's really easy, "unstoppable" even, to send pirated music files over the internet. It sure was fun to have free music. And yet Napster was sued out of existence, and now the vast majority of people who listen to music pay for it. And it's way harder to run a pirate AI datacenter than it is to set up a torrent tracker. Laws will be written, license fees will be paid, and AI will continue to develop but with proper c…
The vast majority listen to ads in order to listen to it for free. Artists make almost nothing on streaming. It completely changed history.
Re: Database of artists used to train Midjourney AI garners criticism
#78My personal worry is that now that companies can't simply scrape all the data for AI, they will instead start buying up massive amounts of data, turning the companies even more powerful and monolithic. Megacorps, here we come.
Re: Database of artists used to train Midjourney AI garners criticism
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm really struggling to conceptualize a world where every picture that's drawn must have a full notary log of how exactly it was produced, all for the sake of removing generative AI. Besides, it's not that easy of a problem - a lot of corporate artists are salaried workers, they don't get specified commissions with an attached bill per work, but are paid a salary so the company can ask them to draw whatever they nee…
It is for the sake of copyright, if you want society to protect your work, provide evidence for your creative work. It seems rather simple to me. Keep in mind that in the not so far future, producing art will be as cheap as consuming it, this means that the original benefits society got in return for copyright no longer applies, so why should they protect it?
This is a really good point that I think will be hard for a lot of people to come to terms with. The basis for the whole idea of intellectual property rests on assumptions that look increasingly fragile.
Re: Database of artists used to train Midjourney AI garners criticism
#80My personal worry is that now that companies can't simply scrape all the data for AI, they will instead start buying up massive amounts of data, turning the companies even more powerful and monolithic. Megacorps, here we come.
100%, anything outside of reducing IP rights is going to make this WORSE for artists, creatives and culture. Artists will campaign for the very expansions of IP rights that will make things so much worse. A world where styles can be owned and sold is not one I want to live in.