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In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#71

I use PWAs extensively and Firefox decided they won't bother to implement them, so that's going to be a no from me. Rather than wanting the web platform to be first class, they really want it to languish as a second-class citizen. Really sad, seeing as they also fired devs, and invested in "AI" instead.

I have tried to switch out of curiosity, but the lack of PWA support in addition to missing features like WebUSB really limits how useful the browser is to me.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#72
post #13

Just let it die. We need something new or at least a CEO with a vision that is not steered by the tides of LinkedIn hype

These fear-mongers that make everyone hate needs to stop. Multi-millionaires that give their own agenda and anything else is anti-this or stupid needs to stop.

You also probably say you hate "Cancel Culture" while cancelling things including coke.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#73

I use PWAs extensively and Firefox decided they won't bother to implement them, so that's going to be a no from me. Rather than wanting the web platform to be first class, they really want it to languish as a second-class citizen. Really sad, seeing as they also fired devs, and invested in "AI" instead.

I like to see Firefox the browser as something that will have a life independent of Mozilla the (crappily managed) corporation. When they finally go down in flames, the open source community will continue to work on it in some fashion. It started as a skunkworks project, and I expect it will continue to have a life after Mozilla.

That, or something else will fill the void (maybe something built off Servo, I dunno), but that seems less likely.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#74
post #4

Maybe if they don’t align with Google agenda so much, I’ll switch. What’s the ethical of switching if Mozilla is just the non-profit arm of Google?

I believe Mozilla falls into a difficult non-profit grey area. Having another browser on the market isn’t as critical to humanity as providing anti-malarial medicine to millions of Africans, yet I think we can all agree that a world without any browser competition would suck for people rich enough to use a browser in the first place. It would be hard for Mozilla to attract $400M/yr of relatively strings-free cash from anyone other than Google.

Google’s search dominance won’t be cured by Mozilla ending its partnership. It will only be cured by innovative competitors who discover an even better way of organizing the internet’s information (perhaps OpenAI or LLMs generally?), or by government regulation. In the meantime, I like to think of Mozilla’s siphoning of cash from Google as a good thing while we all wait for a proper long term solution that may never arrive.

A similar philosophical question ought to confront us every day about many things we use without thinking, both on the internet and off.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#75

I use PWAs extensively and Firefox decided they won't bother to implement them, so that's going to be a no from me. Rather than wanting the web platform to be first class, they really want it to languish as a second-class citizen. Really sad, seeing as they also fired devs, and invested in "AI" instead.

we really need a wealthy tech founder type (especially one who made their millions or billions on the web) to start a new foundation that will actually care about Firefox rather than see it as a liability. Mozilla has completely lost my trust and support

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#76
I use Firefox exclusively, and I love the Rust language that took shape at Mozilla, but it makes me sad to see HN censor comments that point out Mozilla's despicable behavior when they fired Brandon Eich because he didn't espouse gay marriage.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#77

I would like to, but Firefox behaves problematic in regard to auth urls like https://name:password@news.ycombinator.com 1: When you bookmark them, it shows the auth part when you hover the bookmark with the mouse. 2: When you open them from the command line firefox https://name:password@news.ycombinator.com And then ctrl+click links on the site, it opens the new tab and shows the auth part in the tab title as long as…

You save passwords in plain text (bookmarks) and then complain that people can read the plain text over your shoulder?

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

#79
As someone in the Apple ecosystem, Firefox is not a very compelling alternative. I've certainly tried: Firefox Focus was my main iOS browser for a few years (I know it's Webkit-based) and I've tried switching on desktop as well.

On desktop, various Firefox updates would change my settings subtly and nag me about features I had no interest in. On top of that, it was simply a slower browser, both with DOM manipulation and Javascript.

For example, when I made my latest research project (https://pl.aiwright.dev) Firefox would routinely struggle with the large complex graphs (over 100k nodes, though only a few hundred nodes attached to the DOM at any given time). Safari handles it with no issues whatsoever. I'm sure there are likely workarounds to speed things up on Firefox, but I don't have the time or energy for something like that since it's a research project, not an end-user facing product.

Maybe you can make the argument that switching to Firefox will incentivize improvements, but so far that hasn't been my experience. I've now moved away from Firefox to things like Orion (which is still quite buggy, but useful enough). Safari seems to be getting better over time, with things like containers now and extensions like Userscripts [2].

[1]: https://pl.aiwright.dev

[2]: https://github.com/quoid/userscripts

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